Obviously a misunderstanding. Afaik=Abbreviation for "As far as I know". I perceive and I admit that there occurred a "space" after the first letter, which should have effectuated this misunderstanding. I apologize! > Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:07:45 -0800 > From: hartsentwine.australia@gmail.com > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Re: [pbs] Amarcrinum verses the goats ! > > Hans, instead of being so "incredibly rude" to me, & calling me "a faik", > for sharing my experience with PBS members. Perhaps you should learn from > someones experience instead of voicing your learned opinions ! > You are however correct, Amaryllids do contain Amaryllidacean Alkaloids, > which are highly toxic to almost all species. However my goats have eaten > my whole collection 3 times & browsed over it several other times, when > fences have broken by falling branches etc. > > They have shown no ill effects, except in one case, i could see a notable > effect with one large goat "Samson" he is the guts of the group & is likely > to have eaten a much larger percentage, he was stumbling & uneasy on his > feet for days & he appeared to have sever muscle spasms & could not control > his neck properly, his pupils were extremely dilated for a couple of days > especially on one side & i thought he would surly die, Vet treatment was > with high levels of vitamin B12 & lock up with clean food, he took a few > days to recover & is still with the remaining herd of 7 animals, but has > shown a reduction in general health. > I had 10 goats at the time & they ate about 30 square meters of Ameryllids ! > In addition, Lantana is highly toxic to all mammals too, i have about 20 > acres of this highly invasive feral species, which is a constant battle to > control, it usually makes mammals photosensitive & eventually kills even > cows in some cases, but often in rainy weather when the toxin is at high > levels, they loose pacthes of their hair & become very sick. Boss Indicus > species of cattle are far more tolerant. The goats however, have been > eating lantana now for about 12 years & have now learnt not to eat the > leaves most of the time, rather the consume extremely large numbers of > flower heads & so help me reduce the plants ability to repopulate to a > large extent. Not that i recommend this to anyone, its just that i have no > way of controlling it ! The seeds do not pass through the goat as they > grind everything to a fine pellet. > > Goats "Especially Cashmeres" also eat a large number of highly poisonous > weeds & plants, including Eucalyptus leaves which are packed with poisonous > puranic acid. They have an amassing ability to govern their eating habits > when plants are in a highly toxic stage throughout different seasons. A > well recorded fact.... > > I would hope some members would be fascinated by my experience, & possibly > even learn from it, rather than abusing me & being educated by Deer & > Gophers ! > > Kind reguards..... > A very angry Steven ! > Esk Queensland Australia > > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Hans-Werner Hammen <haweha@hotmail.com>wrote: > A faik it is impossible that any Mammal will CONSUME plant matter from > Amaryllids.These contain poisonous Amaryllidacean Alkaloids. Amaryllids are > "Deer And Gopher Proof" > > Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:59:58 -0800 > > From: hartsentwine.australia@gmail.com > > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > Subject: [pbs] Amarcrinum verses the goats ! > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/