First, Mark Brown wrote:- >SNIP>...... .........Narcissus 'Telamonius' is very common.But then I have >just about seen it in every country I have ever >visited................<SNIP> Then David Nicholson wrote " Narcissus 'Telamonius' or telamonius is synonymous with N. pseuodonarcissus ssp pseudonarcissus and I doubt it has been in use for many years now." I think I need some clarification. The name 'Telamonius Plenus' is the name I associate with what is otherwise known as 'Van Sion', a clone widely naturalized here in the US and doubtless elsewhere. Is this the "Telamonius" meant in this discussion, or is the wild typical Narcissus pseudonarcissus what is meant? Jim McKenney