Thanks Ken ,they are amazing I notice in these photos and previous ones of your own potted plants there is a fine gravel or grit - is this just a topping on the growing media or does the entire media consist of this? Alan O'Leary Adelaide ,Sth Australia zone 10a On a little day-trip to some growers in the North San Diego County area this past weekend, we encountered these fantastic 6-7 year old seedlings with some really interesting foliage ... ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/ Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4775 - Release Date: 01/29/12