>minimum temp without snow? nahh... i don't track that sort of thing. :-/ Dear Tony, We did have some snow cover last winter when it got so cold, but none at all this year. OUr coldest to date has been around 7 or 8 F. Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F +