HI Ken, My experience of this cross is that the seedlings of the cross both ways produce seedlings with glacuous - green leaves a little lighter in the case of seedlings from B. josephinea. However. if your seedlings cane from the josephinea seed parent then you will be lucky if one in ten have survived the first deciduous period - they usually die off at the beginning of the second season. I have found that the degree of offsets usually is related to how much nitrogenous fertilizer they have received. Lots of Chicken/cow manure in the beginning of Spring then a forest of offsets! No fertilizer - very few offsets except for the occasional robust bulb. One other option that comes to mind is that the Amaryllis you used in the cross may itself have arisen from a Amarygia backcross with Amaryllis? Very likely if it came from Les Hannibals Amaryllis breeding bulbs. There is a large Brunsvigia / Amaryllis experiment experiment involving about 600 near mature seedlings at Camden Park where John Bidwill flowered the first Amarygia's in 1847. There are seedlings of B. josephinea x Amaryllis, B. josephinea x F1 Amarygia, Amaryllis x F1 Amarygia, F1 Amarygia x and the reverse cross of most of these hybrids. They should start flowering in two years hence - I will keep you informed. Cheers Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken" <kjblack@pacbell.net> To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 1:02 PM Subject: [pbs] non-glaucous foliage of xBrunsdonna I have several pots of what I believe to be my own xBrunsdonnas ... Brunsvigia josephinae X Amaryllis belladonna, from 2008 seed. As I recall, the seeds themselves looked like all the other B.josephinae seed, but the foliage is non-glaucous and more greenish-yellow like the Amaryllis pollen parent than bluish-green like the Brunsvigia seed parent. Also, unlike the reverse cross where the bulbs grow large and seem disinclined to offset or split, it seems the little bulbs have split/offset ... a lot! Is this normal for this cross ... with Brunsvigia as the seed parent? I was repotting to larger pots this past weeked and all of pots I had labelled as B.josephinae X A.belladonna display this same morphology. Ken Blackford San Diego _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/