In addition to Mike's helpful link, I'd also like to remind people who have been on this list for awhile and alert new people that Lee Poulsen spent a lot of time making rainfall graphs and other climate graphs and adding this information to the wiki. http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/… He also created a hardiness maps page: http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/… Mary Sue