Hello Jim Availability of the article made me want to print it out for further look-see. Maybe I can learn something that also accords with my belief that there is more than one type of clone of squamigera out there . I may try to get some of the different ones that I've seen locally. But I tend to forget, don't feel up to it and the window of opportunity is brief. That would account for some of the discrepancy. Two or three phenotypically similar hybrids from one or two parentages (each masquerading as squamigera would account for the differences without having to invoke the idea of dropped or lost chromosomes at meiosis or fertilization ). ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Waddick" <jwaddick@kc.rr.com> To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [pbs] Variation in Lycoris squamigera > >Did you mean that L. straminea was a parent of L. squamigera or did you >>mean L. longituba? > > Dear Tony, > The lit says L. straminea. Seems odd, but see Kurita et all > paper, Synopsis of the Genus Lycoris, in SIDA 1994. > > But according to Identification and Classification of the > Genus Lycoris Using. Molecular Markers. > > straminea is 2N = 19, sprengeri is 2n = 22, longituba > is 2n = 16 and squamigera is 2n (3n) = 27 > > The only way you can get 2/3 n= 27 is to combine the 2n of > sprengeri and n or longituba to get 27 chromosomes. > > To me it seems like squamigera looks like a combo of > longituba and sprengeri, but the experimental crossing of straminea x > sprengeri produced the look alike. Odd > > If the Roh et all chromosome info is correct, the parentage > of Squamigera could ONLY be Sprengeri x longituba. > All the karyotype info in Roh is fairly confusing. > > > http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/… > > > Best Jim W. > -- > Dr. James W. Waddick > 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. > Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 > USA > Ph. 816-746-1949 > Zone 5 Record low -23F > Summer 100F + > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/