Point taken (about killing them personally--with some visceral element of satisfaction). BUT, these days speed counts. It's much faster to power-wash the entire plant than it is to pick by hand..... You can have that fun and I'll toast you with a glass of red from my end. Carlo Carlo A. Balistrieri The Gardens at Turtle Point Tuxedo Park, NY 10987 Zone 6 (845.351.2049) Visit: http://www.botanicalgardening.com/