I suspect that John Grimshaw is right in attributing the poor performance of Passiflora incarnata in England to a lack of heat. John Parkinson wrote a comparatively lengthy entry about Passiflora incarnata " this brave and too much desired plant." in the Paradisus. He mentioned that it emerged late (in May) and bloomed in August, sometimes in July. But it never got to be more than a yard and a half high, although Parkinson was aware that in warmer climates it was much bigger. And because it bloomed so late, it did not form viable seed in his time. Given that performance, it's not surprising that other species have supplanted it in English gardens. Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7 where the ground beneath Franklinia alatamaha is daily splattered with dozens of fried eggs. My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com/ BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org/ Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org/