Hi, All. Hope this isn't getting off topic, but it does relate to any plant grown, and the developers of new plants >.Copyrights, Trade Marks, and Patents are three quite distinct forms of >intellectual property. And, unfortunately, do not "protect" a plant that has a patent, etc. They only provide a legal basis for a lawsuit, at the holder's expense. If the holder of a copyright, trademark, or patent chooses to go to the expense of a lawsuit, and provide legal verification that the plant in question is in fact the one covered by the legal status granted, the violator looses the lawsuit, and the holder can collect damages. The damages must bear some relationship to the actual damage suffered, which is in itself a difficult thing to establish. If a small nursery propagates and distributes twenty roses which are patented, how much will the court grant in damages? Depending on the court, it could be nothing, or a few hundred dollars. The biggest damage is for the legal fees involved in prosecuting the case in the first case. If the small nursery involved doesn't use the trade marked, copyrighted or patented name, and simply claims the plant is a seedling of the variety in question, even DNA evidence may not provide a legal basis for damages. One related example is a fruit tree catalog I recently received. They have trade marked American names for fruit varieties originally named in Russia, Turkey, etc, with the original names given in the description of the variety--at least for some of the varieties. Another example was given by my nursery management professor. A Portland, Oregon nursery trademarked the name of a holly variety-- Possibly Rederly (TM). (I've forgotten, it's been years) For years other growers assumed it was a patented variety and wouldn't grow it. Then someone realized it was trademarked, and could be propagated and sold, but the name Rederly (TM) couldn't be used, so they simply renamed it, and sold their plants under their name, so there were several names for the same variety of holly, each nursery using their own name. All perfectly legal under the law. Another question is, what were the laws of the two countries at the time all this was happening? It has been frequently been noted that the Dutch show no hesitation about taking American lily varieties, renaming them, and distributing them without paying royalties. They also use names already in commerce, such as L.. Red Knight. There have been at least three Red Knight lilies, so which one are you getting if you choose to buy one? If you buy Red Night, what will you get? Are they deliberately trying to trade on the name of an established and well liked variety, or are they simply so lazy that they don't bother to check with the well known registration authority (for lilies, the British Royal Horticultural Society). Finally, even if the varieties involved were protected in some way, is there any reason to believe that the Dutch growers involved felt it was worth pursuing legal action? If there was legal protection, and the Dutch chose not to bother, the law ceases to be applicable. All this happened long ago, so to pursue it now, by people who have little legal stake in the outcome, seems rather futile. If it wasn't done at the time, why now? Ken