Hi Jane, I took a look at your new photos and remain as confused as ever about Sternbergia clusiana. My confusion in large part comes because I've never flowered it so haven't anything to compare leaves/flowers/flowering times with. It seems to be a mid-late fall flowering plant that flowers well before the leaves appear, at least from photos I've seen. I have seedlings coming along from wild seed of known provenance and, as far as I know, correctly identified. Even in the greenhouse the leaves appear in mid-winter and are broader, thinner and flatter and less glossy than those of lutea, for example. However, they are not quite as broad as those of fischeriana, whose leaves are beautifully glaucus - just like in your wiki picture of those that came from Panayoti. Is there any reason the latter might not be fischeriana - if they flowered in very late fall? I can't find any good pictures of S. clusiana on the web showing fresh leaves but my seedlings definitely have green rather than blue/gray-green leaves. Depending upon the weather fischeriana flowers here, in the garden, anything between now (10 blooms open) and March in a cold winter. In my hoop-house I had it in flower before the end of November one year. It behaves very much like candida, the sheathed flower buds appearing with the leaves. Does anyone on the east coast grow bone fide S. clusiana in the garden - if so when does it flower and does it flower before the leaves appear? Thanks, J. John T Lonsdale PhD 407 Edgewood Drive, Exton, Pennsylvania 19341, USA Home: 610 594 9232 Cell: 484 678 9856 Fax: 801 327 1266 Visit "Edgewood" - The Lonsdale Garden at http://www.edgewoodgardens.net/ USDA Zone 6b