>We have lots of bears here on the Oregon coast. >They do not bother the deer. >The deer eat what they want. >So do the bear. >So fencing in very important to save your crops of anything. >Need a combination of solid and electric. >Sam **We have bears, mountain lions, porcupine, raccoons, fox, and deer here on the North NoCal coast. We do NOT shoot them. We're in their territory, they're not in ours. Maude the deer and her grown up babies are just part of our lives. We cage the trees and grown things intensively so they have some and we have some left. We do have guns here, but mostly for if we have to go out at night to protect the chickens (who are in secure house, but....). The bears hit the orchard, so do the raccoons and the porcupine. (So do the birds and I don't shoot them.) The deer eat lots of kinds of things in the front, even those plants considered deer proof. In the back we have wood rats, gophers, mice and who knows what. They eat a lot of stuff too. We live with them and do the best we can. s. -- Don't anthropomorphize dogs. They hate that. susan, who is..... owned by Jasper & Schubert the Standard Poodles, Gracie the Rhodesian, Pup-Quiz the Basenji and their Basenji brother, Jones.... on the North Coast of CA, USA susanann@sbcglobal.net, copyright 2006