Dear Jamus, Welcome to our PBS list and thanks for introducing yourself. I'll be eager to hear what people will say about germinating Tropaeolum seed. So far I've had no luck with T. azureum. I had heard that fresh sown seeds were most likely to germinate so have tried seed from the southern hemisphere at the wrong time of the year, but have had mixed results. Some I got to come up, but later lost. Seed I held over for fall sowing I've not been successful getting to germinate. Last year two seeds out of a batch I got from the NARGS seed exchange and started in winter came up. Why I was successful with those I do not know. The shoots when they do come up are so delicate that the seed pots need careful monitoring. While we are speaking of Tropaeolum, does anyone have any suggestions for getting the tubers to come up? Do I need to grow all of them (except for T. tricolor which I can usually get to grow outside) in the greenhouse? Harry Hay had a lot of plants that were successfully growing and blooming in his UK greenhouses and David Victor and Ian Young were growing plants in greenhouses too. I remember Bill Dijk had his sheltered a bit from the elements as well. Last year T. brachyceras did not come up at all and three species including it have not started into growth. I've moved them into the greenhouse, but so far no signs of activity. Since moving Canarina canariensis into my greenhouse and leaving it there year round it is doing much better and I have two HUGE plants in bloom right now and taking up a lot of room. My greenhouse is getting very crowded now as so many of the South African plants seems to do better with some protection from my excessive winter wet conditions even if it doesn't get very cold where I live in winter. Mary Sue Mary Sue Ittner California's North Coast Wet mild winters with occasional frost Dry mild summers