Joe, Believe you've seen the systematic review Les Hannibal did at http://www.crinum.org/review.html And looking at the occurances of where Schmidti appears there-in it is apparent how confusing the use of the name is. My observation of those notes and communication I've had with folk is that Carolo-Schmidtii and Moorei var Schmidtii are two entirely different plants. In the Genus Crinum Southern Africa Verdoorn writes that Carolo-Schmidtii: -medium leaves under 2cm broad at the base -leaves flaccid spreading, shallowly, canaliculate I understand the flower is also somewhat different. DrCrinum wrote at IBS message 385 somewhat on the subject of Crinum Moorei var Schmidtii. Maybe even more specific is message 378. Rgds, David. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com/