Brian WhyerDoug Westfall brian.whyer@which.net1111 Claiborne Dr. Long Beach, CA Brian, Without pictures, it would be difficult to give you an answer. In addition, we are finding that there is FAR more variabilness in Veltheimias than we once thought. In general, V bracteata has wider shiny "apple green" leaves that ar larger than those of V. capensis. V. capensis (formerly "glouca") leaves are narrower and gray/green - not shiny. If you have access to the PBS wiki page, chech the pics posted there. Doug