Ken, I stick by my statement that the orange comes from Lilium henryi. No wild trumpet lily is even remotely orange. Also, you mention White Henryi and Bright Star as "the first hybrids". Not by a long shot: the first henryi-trumpet hybrids were done at the end of the nineteenth century, a full half-century before the hybrids you mentioned. I share your appreciation for those old Asiatic hybrids such as Destiny and Prosperity. I cut my lily hybrid teeth on those, too. You've never seen Hemerocallis fulva? I'm incredulous! Where do you live? Is there some garden-worthy spot still untouched by this champion usurper? BTW, I've got some aurelian x rosthornii hybrids cooking now. I would love to see a lily of this type with a hard, lacquered finish. Jim McKenney jimmckenney@starower.net Montgomery County, Maryland, zone 7