Another follow-up on Diane's piece. I had a look at my Flores & Watson seedlings this morning to see how germination is going. I started all of them in gentle heat and then those that showed no sign of germinating were transferrred to sitting in a cold greenhouse, which has been about freezing inside over the past few days. Early and heavy germinators from the warm period were: 9582 A. diluta subsp. chrysantha yellow form 9575 A. hookeri subsp. cummingiana 9604 A. pulchra subsp. pulchra 9585 A. werdermannii var. werdermannii 10560 A. paupercula Some have shown only the odd seedling: 9758 A. hookeri subsp. maculata 10575 A. phillipiana Ones that have not as yet germinated and are being given a cool period are: 9558 A. diluta subsp chrysantha pink form 9551 A. crispata 9531 A. magnifica subsp. maxima 9550 A. leporino 9701 A. spathulata 10746 A. ligtu subsp. ligtu 10747 A. revoluta Sadly, I didn't keep records of how long they took to germinate. However, most of them showed an early seedling and then, after a couple of further weeks, several germinated at once. Interestingly, the four figure collections starting with a "9" were all 2001 collections that I purchased this year. They seem to show no serious deterioration over the intervening period and no significant difference in germination to this year's collections. I'm also growing several other sets purchased from Jim Archibald, Plantworld and Chiltern, but all of those have been set very recently, so no data to date. A number of the Chiltern ones are wild collected and some of both Jim's and Plantworld's were originally. I guess that both of the latter may well have hybridised over the couple of years in cultivation. Best regards, David Victor