Hi Ken and David, I can't help David ID his crinums, unfortuantely. My own plants of Crinum x-powellii have never set seed. You might try crossing x-powellii pollen back on to bulbispermum. I have Crinum [bulbispermum X lugardiae] seedlings that seem to be pretty hardy (mulched) out in the nursery field here in the middle of USDA zone 5. C. variabile is also hardy out there. I have small seedlings of CC. [variabile X bulbispermum], [bulbispermum X macowanii], [bulbispermum X graminicola], and one [lineare X bulbisperum] that will eventually be tested out in the field. Jim Shields in central Indiana (USA) ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA Member of INTERNATIONAL CLIVIA CO-OP