Hi everyone, The comments on the quality of light and color are appropriate. Indeed, I should think that they lie close to the heart of the aesthetics of a garden. Jamie's point about the color yellow looking "common" is right on the button. Dandelions are yellow, and in early summer are in everyone's lawns -- a negative attribute for a city or suburban lawn. On the other hand, I have close to 1000 bulbs of mainly yellow Narcissus planted around my place. Yellow Narcissus are very welcome, even to me, in early spring -- when dark winter is still fresh in our minds, the sun is still low in the southern sky, and the light is "different." By mid-summer, the sun is high in the sky, the light is harsh, the heat is getting annoying, and yellows and oranges in the garden can begin to get on one's nerves a bit. It's an emotional thing. Orange is also disliked by some gardeners, perhaps because we associate it with the ubiquitous old-fashioned roadside daylily, Hemerocallis fulva 'Europa'. That particular daylily slowly becomes an invasive garden weed over the long term. Those orange flowers can be a red flag to a fastidious gardener. The only Lilium that many of us can keep alive in our gardens for years on end is the old orange Tiger Lily, Lilium lancifolium -- another "common" and hence less desirable garden flower. Geophytes include besides true bulbs all the corms, tubers and rhizomes. As to Hemerocallis, which are tuberous-rooted rhizomatous herbaceous perennials, they are geophytes beyond a doubt (at least in my mind). There are just plenty of other forums where they can be discussed. N'est pas? Regards, Jim Shields in central Indiana (USA), where we usually speak just Hoosier ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA Member of INTERNATIONAL CLIVIA CO-OP