Mary Sue and all, I grow H. albiflos, and propagate some from seed every year. I find they do best in big pots. I'll start seedlings in 3/12 inch pots, with 20 or more seeds/pot. As with many seedlings, they seem to like company. They are very slow the first year or two, but then take off nicely, and do well in individual 3 1/2 inch pots for the third year. After that they go into gallon pots. Once the bulbs begin to offset they can go into even larger pots, 2 or 3 gallon pots work well, particularly the squatter types. This seems to encourage offsets. If the offsets are removed right after the main bulb flowers, and the offsets are two or three inches in diameter, they can be brought into flower the following autumn. On the other had, a big pot with 4 or 5 flowering stems is really spectacular. I grow my plants in partial shade, mostly under shade cloth, and water all year around. I fertilize fairly heavily from the spring through mid autumn. This improves not only growth rate, but flower quality as well. I grow them in a mix of commercial potting mix and pumice, about 50:50. In addition to the form most commonly seen, there is a form from Craddock (spelling?). This form has olive green, leathery leaves, looking quite different from the form normally seen in cultivation. It flowers about a month after the normal form. The flowers are identical to the normal form. I've grown H. deformis, using the same techniques as H. albiflos, and have one in flower now. (Better late than never.). In Southern California, there are several cultivars available. I have H. 'Sleeping Beauty', with the tantalizing label H. coccineus x H. 'Cocobola Pink'. I believe Bill Baker was the hybridizer. I can't find any other reference to 'Cocobola Pink'. It is evergreen with enormous leaves, six inches wide, and easily a foot long, and extremely glossy. It is evergreen, but semi-dormant in summer and grows well under the same conditions as H. albiflos. The flowers are a light pink, nice but not spectacular. I have quite a few other species, some of which I've flowered. H. coccineus is easy here as is H. sanquineneus and H. humilis. So far, none of the more exotic (and expensive) species or the cultivars have had flowers that surpass the more common forms of H. albiflos, coccineus and sanquineneus. In fact most of the expensive species are downright inferior as far as bloom quality goes. Last year I had a few problems with a 'virus'? showing up. Nearly all the bulbs that showed any signs of 'virus?' were growing adjacent to Hippeastrum. The Hippeastrum appear virus free, with no sign of leaf splotching or any other health issue. But I do wonder. The 'virus' generally showed just at the time of flowering, another oddity. Although there were other amaryllids near the Hippeastrum, none of these show any sign of virus. In any case, everything has been segrated and anything that I was suspicious of destroyed. I still wonder if I destroyed perfectly healthy bulbs. Tom Mary Sue Ittner <msittner@mcn.org> wrote: Dear All, Are there any others in our group who grow Haemanthus? I hope you will share your experiences. My first experience was buying a plant at our local nursery. It is very unusual for there to be any kind of an unusual bulb for sale where I live so of course I was forced to buy it just to give them courage to offer others in the future. I didn't grow any Haemanthus at all at the time. It was a cross between H. albiflos and H. coccineus. When it bloomed I was thrilled. Unfortunately the new leaves began to have that virused look about them. I kept it on for another season and it bloomed again, but the leaves kept looking worse and worse so sadly I destroyed it. In August 2003 we observed Haemanthus albiflos that looked virused at Kirstenbosch (at least most of us thought it looked that way). There were a number of plants growing together and they didn't all look virused. Later in our trip we saw a population of Haemanthus in the wild with leaves that also looked virused. The plants were expanding nicely. Rod Saunders who was with us said you'd expect to find populations in the wild that would be virused. I am wondering how common virus is in Haemanthus. In my case and the two I saw in South Africa, it didn't seem to be killing the plants, but mainly affecting the appearance. Doug Westfall kindly gave me some seeds of Haemanthus albiflos after I told him of my interest. I was able to germinate about 1/2 of them and protected them for a year or so and eventually put them on a ledge in the shade and the birds finished off most of them along with two Scadoxus seedlings from two Scadoxus seeds he had also given me. I was so disappointed. It seemed my ability to grow Haemanthus was not very good. When we visited Rhoda and Cameron the first time, I got some more seeds of Haemanthus albiflos and I've done much better with those although they have never bloomed. They were looking super this year so I think it might be just a matter of time however. Someone (birds again probably) took a couple of big bites out of the leaves towards the end of summer making me wonder if it will ever be safe to grow them out of my greenhouse. I have two plants left from Doug's original gift and one of them doesn't look like any of my other Haemanthus albiflos so either it is something else or a hybrid. Most of the time it only has one leaf, but has two at the moment. I found it very helpful for Cameron to explain how usually plants have one or two leaves, but those that are evergreen can have more when the new leaves come out. When Jennifer Hildebrand organized a group order from Cameron and Rhoda in February 2003, I ordered Haemanthus coccineus. I was so impressed with the high quality of what I received that when Jen offered to do an order of the summer rainfall species too, I purchased H. montanus and H. deformis. All of these plants have done really well and I believe they have adjusted to my hemisphere. Being transplanted didn't seem to be a problem. Like Rob Hamilton my H. montanus once it got turned around has been green longer than you'd expect. It isn't dying back yet at all. None of them have bloomed however. Paul Tyerman' seeds of H. coccineus germinated really well, but only 3 of them are up again. I didn't look to see if there are others that are acting like some of Rob's Amaryllids and skipping the year, but I am hoping they are still there. I have seedlings of H. barkerae from Silverhill that are growing slowly, but may be suffering from what Jim Shields has described as premature transplanting. I also purchased H. paucifolius from Telos and it hasn't bloomed, but has just made an offset. Rounding out are two other species that I purchased from Gordon Summerfield early this year so they were also on the wrong hemisphere: H. canaliculatus and H. amarylloides ssp. toximontana. The former grew a little and then went dormant and I'm not very hopeful about it, but the latter is still green so perhaps it will survive. I started them both in big pots even though they looked a bit overwhelmed so I wouldn't have to transplant them. It was so helpful to have Cameron's introduction because I had no idea which were evergreen, which deciduous and which to keep dry when and which always to keep moist. Now I have written that information on tags and added them to the pots. I had a couple of seeds that were supposed to be H. sanguineus, but the leaves look like a Scadoxus so I think there may have been a mix-up. If any of you are still reading this to get to my questions, I am wondering if all of the species are equally unhappy with being transplanted as my experience seems mixed. Do some people grow these in the ground or mostly in containers? How big a container do they need? Gordon Summerfield suggested one to a container and in some of my others I had two in a container. Would it be better in line with what Jim S. is saying to keep the two together than split them out until they are bigger? Do most people find they have blooms once the plants get to be a certain size or do they skip a year or more? Do I need to provide extra heat to any of these in summer to make them feel at home? Rob, Gordon advised me to water the ones I got from him if they were green and only withhold water once the leaves started to die back. Mary Sue Mary Sue Ittner California's North Coast Wet mild winters with occasional frost Dry mild summers _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php