Jim et al., Woudl anyone care to take a stab at which TP hybrids they would suggest for So CA? I'd love to get species seeds if anyone has some spare available. I am not a member of any of the societies that offer them. So, I must resort to cultivars that are readily available. I know that I can get rockii and ostii cvs but I really want to get a few more. I am looking at the following: Ru Hua Si Yu Feng Dan Fen Feng Dan Bai Xiangyang Hong Lan Hudie Zi He Xue Lian Anyone have experince with these cultivars? I am not interested in any that will flop. Also, several of these are pinks and that is one of my least favorite colors. I would like their form in more of the purple to blue color or even the corals as in Coral Sunset. ===== John Ingram in L.A., CA. http://www.floralarchitecture.com/ check it out Floralartistry2000@yahoo.com 310.709.1613 (cell, west coast time, please call accordingly. Thank you)