I have to say as a supplier of a lot of species, I have been duped by my wholesalers/suppliers. I ordered rather large crinum bulbs from a grower in FL. I paid top dollar for really large C. scabrum. They did not flower for me the first year (bad soil choice) but many did flower the second. All that flowered were Ellen B. Not really even close. I tried to contact all the people that I sold and traded to but, the plants were already growing for them. From my end, trying to get a good source of properly ID'd material is so hard. I try to make sure everything is labeled properly (I am quite neurotic at times and this is one pet peeve). I have to agree with Kevin. I will be growing all my plants to bloom until they are sold just in case. I might let some go earlier with a warning of possible inaccuracies. Jim, I have seen other suppliers that have used the same photos with different color changes but it was not the supplier to which you referred. ===== John Ingram in L.A., CA. 310.709.1613 jjingram@adelphia.net Floralartistry2000@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/floralartistry2000/