Dear All, Fred asked about where Ledbouria socialis was found and no one was able to help him so when I was in South Africa I tried to see if I could come up with an answer. Rod Saunders directed me to a book on Ledbouria and this is what it said. Ledbouria socialis is endemic to the Cape Province. Most of the known localities are in the Eastern Cape. It is found in fine to medium grained shallow to deep well drained humus rich sandy soil. (Now that's a mouthful.) It usually grows in shade mostly in closed evergreen woodland. A few populations occur in evergreen scrub forest. Most of the localities are in the veld type known as Valley Bushveld. Cameron McMaster described the habitat as dry valley bush veld. He said most of the ones he had seen were found around Grahamstown and Williamstown. He also mentioned the Keiskamma River Valley where the road to Port Alfred crosses the river. I haven't checked any maps for the spelling on these names so maybe if you have a map Fred you can look them up. I hope that this information is helpful. I think I have the book on veld types and could copy the section on Type 23 if this isn't enough. Mary Sue