In a message dated 10-Sep-03 7:46:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jwaddick@kc.rr.com writes: > I hear rumors about practices of wanton substitution and use of incorrect > names since American bulb buyers are not as discriminating or complain less > than others. Well, I plan on complaining and will not order. I can't relate > any info on the quality or identity of bulbs they actually sell, but I sure do > not like this practice one bit. Enough to tell others Buyer Beware! > Jim ~ Hardly a rumor -- it happens often enough in the mass marketing daffodil world, as well -- caveat emptor is the operative word with these suppliers, many of them barely a step above the level of such reprehensible firms as Michigan Bulb Co. You describe yourself as "a bit" of a Lycoris fancier. In my case, as a daffodil nut, it would have to be much more than "a bit" over the top. Clearly, I fit the category that Murray Evans (an Oregon daffodil breeder/grower of some years ago) used to refer to as one of the "hopelessly bitten!" It's certainly true that these businesses target the naive Joe and Jan Sixpaque types out there who really don't know one clone from another and are content with a line of daffodils planted along their driveway. If a substitution has been made, they will never catch it as these suppliers are devious enough to substitute something with the same color combination and not tell the recipient. That these suppliers continually get away with this sort of thing rankles me no end, as well. As a daffodil judge, I often have to deal with the fall out from this practice. With a bow to diplomacy, it has been a way to win friends and adherents to the genus, although not one that I prefer . . . That whole business aside, for the moment, the thing that really infuriates me is the unsurpassed arrogance when I've written these people and been told (with the clear underlying inference) that, since I'm not Dutch, I can't possibly accurately know what I'm looking at or talking about! It is the very reason I caution anyone who is thinking of buying from the Ohms/Scheepers conglomerate not to -- they don't deserve the business! This does bring up an interesting observation, however. The Dutch are past masters at the marketing and selling of daffodils (and all Spring-flowering bulbs) in the USA. Each year the number of "Dutch" bulbs entering this country increases, even though they supply and sell pretty much the same things year after year. Where is all of that stock going? After JJS have purchased "King Alfred" or 'Ice Follies' for the third or fourth time, they are probably not going to do so again. This is a huge market and one that is being inadequately serviced by the Dutch wholesalers, although, in recent years, there has been at least a trickle of new daffodils entering these channels. On the other hand, this is a market that is neither recognized nor exploited by American daffodil interests or, in particular, the national daffodil organization. Understandably, like so many small horticultural businesses, American daffodil breeder/growers are of the "Mom and Pop" type and geared toward meeting the needs of a very small niche market and have neither the desire nor the capital to compete with the Dutch. And the response by the national organization -- if it even recognizes or understands the issue -- is, at best, disjointed and feeble. Lest anyone think I've singled out daffodils here, one can substitute any Spring or Summer-flowering "bulb" and pretty much reach the same conclusions. Somehow, these affinity organizations dedicated to promotion (if they aren't focussed on doing so, they're missing the proverbial boat altogether) of their particular genus do a totally miserable job. The end result is that this market has been conceded to the Dutch wholesalers without so much as a whimper! Thus, based on results, we have what we deserve . . . Dave Karnstedt Silverton, Oregon, USA 97381-0237 email: davekarn@aol.com USDA Zone 7-8, winter wet, summer dry Mediterranean maritime climate