Dear All, Thanks for all the wonderful responses everyone has written about landscaping with bulbs. We had some theory and practice as well and examples from a lot of different locations. I don't think anyone from the southern United States shared what worked there, but we did hear about some of the areas of the world that weren't covered in our regional discussions earlier. As I read I kept thinking it would have been nice to see some illustrations of what people were talking about. If there is interest in this we could always make a Landscaping with Bulbs wiki page for pictures. Hamish, the California deer where I live are undeterred with most all of the folk remedies and the ones visiting my garden were especially attracted to some of the sprays meant to keep them away. Maybe the New Jersey deer are different. When we first moved here I didn't want to have a fence so I tried all I read about first. We then fenced one area at a time until finally we did our whole property. We have had a couple visitors since. Twice was during the day when the gate is open and in the beginning we learned that deer can jump over 6 feet. But they seemed to have given up now. Other unknown creatures get under the fence (rabbits?) and the Crested Blue Vultures (Scrub Jays) and I continue to battle for my plant tags. Mary Sue Mary Sue Ittner California's North Coast Wet mild winters with occasional frost Dry mild summers