Dear All I have been reading Mary Sue's enthusiastic and detailed accounts of the Symposium and beyond with huge pleasure! I really don't feel I can add much, since I took no notes but just thoroughly enjoyed the whole experience. The exchange of useful information about growing these plants, and the general easy going atmosphere during the whole week made it a very worth while trip, hopefully to be repeated. Audrey -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: 01 October 2003 15:52 To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 9, Issue 1 Send pbs mailing list submissions to pbs@lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Crinum graminicola seeds (J.E. Shields) 2. Re: pbs Digest, Vol 8, Issue 35 (David Victor) 3. Oxalis, Wiki, and Pelargonium (Mary Sue Ittner) 4. Re: IBSA Symposium 2003/Vist to South Africa TOW (Mary Sue Ittner) 5. Ledbouria socialis (Mary Sue Ittner) 6. about Brunsvigia grandiflora (Angelo Porcelli) 7. Re: about Brunsvigia grandiflora (Jamie) 8. Re: about Brunsvigia grandiflora (Robert Hamilton) 9. Re: IBSA Symposium 2003/Vist to South Africa TOW (James Waddick) 10. Re: Biarum tenuifolius (James Waddick) 11. Re: about Brunsvigia grandiflora (TGlavich@aol.com) 12. Clivia mirabilis (Mary Sue Ittner) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:22:49 -0500 From: "J.E. Shields" <jshields104@insightbb.com> Subject: [pbs] Crinum graminicola seeds To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030930131233.026e8910@mail.insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I have a few seeds of Crinum graminicola available for sale. Contact me privately or see my web page at http://shieldsgardens.com/Seeds/CrinumSeeds.html/ if you are interested. Hand-pollinated in the greenhouse; the parental plants came from Greg Pettit in South Africa. I assume that Crinum graminicola is tender in cold climates. Jim Shields in central Indiana ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA Member of INTERNATIONAL CLIVIA CO-OP ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:15:32 +0100 From: David Victor <davidxvictor@mailblocks.com> Subject: [pbs] Re: pbs Digest, Vol 8, Issue 35 To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030930181529.00bc4660@app4.mailblocks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi there, Firstly, a few words of introduction as I'm new to the list. As Mary Sue, I am also a member of IBSA and attended the recent conference in South Africa. I'm a keen grower of South African bulbs, living in England, where most of them are grown under cold glass. My main interests in this area are Oxalis, Amaryllids (particularly Nerine), Ferraria and the strange tuberous species of Pelargonium found in Section Hoarea of that genus. I've been reading Mary Sue's pieces on the conference and thought that I might add a few notes. Firstly, on Oxalis. The last major taxonomic work on the South African part of the genus was carried out by retired Paymaster-Captain Salter of the Royal Navy, who lived for many years in Cape Town, his hobby being to work on Oxalis. In 1944 he published his major work "The Genus Oxalis in South Africa - A Taxonomic Revision". This was published by The Cape Times under the Authority of the trustees of the National Botanic Gardens of south Africa, Kirstenbosch. In the book he points out that his field work has been limited to the South West of that country and that he has had to rely on herbarium samples for the rest of the country. However, as most of the species occur in the area studied, he does not feel that it too difficult an issue. He also points out that studying live material is particularly important as crucial elements of the analysis depend on floral structures and root-systems, which are not normally available in herbarium samples. He adds that "It is, perhaps, not generally realised that only a proportion of the existing forms are yet known. The genus is one of the most prolific in South Africa, both in quantity and variety, and all collectors of Oxalis, including myself, have only explored a small fraction of the huge and often somewhat inaccessible areas in which this genus abounds, areas in which, during the main Oxalis season (mid-winter) there is little else to attract a botanist." In his revision, he divides the genus into eleven Sections, consisting of some 202 species. As Mary Sue says, there is a South African botanist currently working on a revision of the genus. She is Dr Leanne Dreyer, who I was lucky enough to meet a few years ago. I believe that, at the time, she was working on her Ph. D. thesis, which was based on her re-examination of Salter's work by means of pollen morphology. She was brought to see my collection by Prof. Charlie Stirton, at that time Director of Research at RBG Kew. Before he left South Africa he had considered carrying out a revision of the genus and, to this end, had collected a great deal of material. Sadly, when he left, he had to leave the collection behind at Stellenbosch. Of course, its worth adding that a major part of the genus is in the Americas. There various parts are given within individual countries local flora, where they exist. There was talk at one time that Prof. Alicia Lourteig was intending to produce a revision of the genus overall. However, I believe that is no longer the case. A colleague of mine, Richard Clifton, has produced an overall species checklist of all of the species that he has been able to "identify" i.e. trace, as part of his series of checklists on the family Geraniaceae (yes it was located there at one time!). At this level, the system soon seems to fall into chaos. Few botanists have tried to pull together an overall picture of Oxalis and those that did, all did so a long time ago. Knuth (the top man on Geraniaceae historically, as part of Das Planzenreich, 1897/1930) reckoned 7 genera in the family Oxalidaceae and this was agreed by Lawrence (1969). However Hutchinson reckoned 3 genera and the RHS says 6. If you add on the other odds and ends that are floating around there may be 8 or 9. If we can't even agree on the genera in the family, its difficult to believe we can agree on anything else! In any event, there are several hundred species shown in the book, although I don't have the patience to go through it to add up just how many! To pick up on one of Mary Sue's other points, dormancy in Oxalis. Most of my South African species are just coming into leaf and flower now. Indeed, the first species came into flower on 10th September, a few days after I returned from South Africa. It was brought into growth by watering on the day of my return. The rest are following quickly. Virtually all of them will have flowered by Christmas time and will be returning to dormancy early in the new year. So, most of them will be dormant for six months or so. Finally, a question. Has the list ever thought of having Pelargonium Section Hoarea included on the wiki? ( and by the way, what on earth does wiki stand for?). They are great geophytes! Best regards, David Victor ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:27:17 -0700 From: Mary Sue Ittner <msittner@mcn.org> Subject: [pbs] Oxalis, Wiki, and Pelargonium To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20030930140759.00e086d0@mail.mcn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Dear David, Welcome to our list and thank you so much for your wonderful addition about Oxalis. It is indeed a very complicated subject, but I am sure all of those who are interested in Oxalis have learned a lot from what you have written. Mark McDonough who helps me with the wiki (which is a Hawaiian word meaning quick quick) had a discussion about whether we should create wiki pages for genera that had a few geophytes, but were mainly not geophytic. He thought people could be confused by including them and was inclined to say no. He used Pelargonium as an example. However it was too late as I had already put a picture of Pelargonium incrassatum on the wiki since I was thrilled when mine bloomed. My husband suggested a compromise that was simple but worked for both of us and I changed the wiki page name to Geophytic Pelargoniums. This page could include other sections besides Section Hoarea if they are also geophytes, but definitely is the place to put pictures of those plants. I very much hope you will add your pictures of the geophytic Pelargoniums you grow to that wiki page. And just for all the new members of our list since there are quite a few of you the wiki is like a pbs list web site and any member of this list is welcome to add pictures of the geophytes they grow or have seen in the wild to the wiki. We are not limited to the genera that are listed. New wiki pages can be created if you have something you want to add that is not represented. I have written a lot of instructions about how to do it and am always willing to help new users figure out how to participate. Mary Sue ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:35:28 -0700 From: Mary Sue Ittner <msittner@mcn.org> Subject: Re: [pbs] IBSA Symposium 2003/Vist to South Africa TOW To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20030929204301.00d953c0@mail.mcn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Dear All, This year the South African winter rain fall area has been very dry. Right before the IBSA Symposium they had rain and snow and while we were there they continued to have a little rain and have had some since we returned. But in Namaqualand, the West Coast, and some of the areas where my husband and I saw flowers in abundance on our last trip there were few flowers this year. Reports were that bulbs in the areas with so little rainfall just sat the year out. We always worry when our bulbs do that so it is good to remember that it happens in the wild. This made it very difficult for the organizers of the Symposium who had planned to take us to see flowers in areas close to where we were staying as they just weren't blooming at the right time. I understand some have bloomed since. So they had to scramble to find places to take us. Two large buses were rented and the first day we traveled to Swellendam to a farm where we had permission to look for flowers. We spent a lot more time on the bus than anticipated but both days I was lucky to have interesting travel companions. The views out the window in spite of the drought looked very beautiful. There was snow on the mountains and there were swatches of color: green, yellow from farm lands. South Africa is a very beautiful country I think. The sun was out and once we arrived and started walking it felt warmer outside than it had in the previous two days. We got very excited as we found our first bulbs. One of the first was Laperiousa pyramidalis. We saw this one over and over again while we were there. We also saw Gladiolus carinatus, Moraea miniata and tripetala, Oxalis obtusa, Oxalis purpurea, a succulent Oxalis with purple flowers, a couple Romuleas, some nice orchids, a white Geissorhiza, etc. Rhoda McMaster helped my understand the difference between Geissorhiza and Hesperantha. In Hesperantha the style divides at the base of the flower or below and in Geissorhiza the style extends upward and divides higher up. After she clarified this we could at least say we were seeing Geissoriza sp. or Hesperantha sp. for all those white ones that sometimes had pink or brown markings on the back. I have in my notes we saw Moraea fergusoniae and Gladiolus permeabilis. Since those aren't species that I knew before it will be interesting to look at our pictures and see how well they fit with the descriptions. There was enough room for people to fan out and explore on their own. Some of the people I never saw once we got off the bus as they moved more quickly. A new friend I made from South Africa who doesn't grow bulbs was fascinated by the conversations about what we were seeing (since there wasn't always agreement.) People pointed out special finds. Some of the best flowers got photographed by a line of people, often lying in strange positions to get the best shot. I was pleased when Pat Victor went out of her way to back track to find me to show me a natural Oxalis "rock garden" overlooking the river. Those people who went the farthest came back exclaiming over a Gladiolus tristis they saw leaning over the cliff near the river. The following day we went to Hermanus. This was another long trip on the bus. Hermanus has whales and they were present. It also has the Fernkloof Nature Reserve and after we looked at ferns we drove there. Fernkloof has fynbos vegetation so we saw Proteas, Ericas, and Restios. We didn't see a lot of bulbs here, but did find one Gladiolus hirsutus that everyone photographed and a couple of other things. We had lovely walks through the preserve after lunch. On the way back to the Spa we stopped a number of times along the road when someone spotted flowers blooming and I think everyone appreciated that opportunity and while the bus drivers waited we jumped out of the bus to see what we could find. Both buses didn't stop at the same places so we saw different things. We found a field of Gladiolus abbreviatus. Since we weren't expecting a lot even this plant which I'd say is one of those kindly called, "collector's items" was exciting. Their were some pretty Romuleas and a Babiana that most people thought was purpurea. And of course there were Oxalis including some that had wonderful large leaves that reminded me of strawberries and were not blooming. And we saw our first Watsonias about the time I ran out of film. The light was really low by then I reassured myself and I probably wouldn't have gotten much of a picture. Luckily I saw Watsonias in bloom many times after that. The final day we went to the Worcester Botanical Garden. This wasn't such a long trip. A lot of people were leaving at noon so they decided rather than to rent buses to just pile into private cars. This is a dry area and the garden has a lot of succulents. We were lucky to be allowed to view the private bulb and succulent collections. There were a lot of Oxalis pots that attracted my attention. As I looked at them closely there were many different leaves in the same pot and I began to understand that we may be lucky ours don't reseed. I think sorting out all these pots (as there were a lot of them) would be quite a job. We were told they planned to plant many of them out in the garden. Since some of us have discovered except for the weedy ones Oxalis planted out in our gardens haven't done well, it will be interesting to hear how these do. There were other series of plastic pots, but the majority of the bulbs were planted in large concrete deep planters where the bulbs have a deep root run and where soil temperatures are very constant. The concrete is divided into sections with different species in each and they are numbered. I'm not sure I am explaining this very well so I posted two pictures to the wiki: http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/… http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/… The man who is in charge and who was talking to us said that the bulbs were really responding well to this new planting and were growing much better than in pots. This was especially true of the Amaryllids. You can see some nice leaves in the second picture. What they are finding however is that some of them are increasing so rapidly they need dividing. It didn't seem to me that with this design it would be especially easy to divide them or transplant them once planted. He thought ultimately they would be able to grow bulbs better there than at Kirstenbosch. They don't have so much rain so could control the moisture I'd expect. A lot of the South African delegates purchased plants here. They looked through the containers that were for sale and often found bonuses that they valued more than the plant they were purchasing in the same pot. My husband who loves to take pictures of signs found a picture of a Lachenalia that was for sale marked Cape Cows Lips. The Symposium ended after lunch. My husband and I, Patty Colville, and Lauw de Jager spent the afternoon exploring on our own with suggestions about where to go. We explored an area that had been burned first (always a good choice) and found more Moraeas, Albucas, more of that same Lapeirousia, and Lachenalia orchiodes (which we also saw repeatedly). We got our first practice climbing between the barb wired fences and trying to step carefully so we didn't end up with black streaks on our pants. We saw Moraea gawleri here which Bob and I saw often in shades of orange and yellow. At Tulbagh we found some beautiful red Babiana villosa near a cemetery. We found some pretty Romuleas and Lauw removed his shoes to wade in the water to get a better photo of Spiloxene aquatic. As we returned we found a small section of land where the roads crossed that we had been told about but missed on the way that had Lachenalias and Oxalis in bloom. The whole patch was solid flowers. This might have been Lachenalia longibracteata. The International delegates had become quite friendly and a number of us weren't quite ready to say goodbye so thirteen of us arranged to meet one more time for dinner in Worcester. For me the Symposium was a great success. I learned a lot, saw some interesting plants, but most of all I appreciated talking to fellow bulb enthusiasts. Thursday night was scheduled to be the farewell dinner and the local delegates were encouraged to attend and many of them did. At the dinner the noise level was very high. If you looked around the room you saw a lot of happy people very engaged in conversation. IBSA is considering sponsoring another Symposium in 2-4 years and I highly recommend this to anyone who is interested in South African bulbs. I'll continue to share throughout the week about our trip to South Africa and some of the talks, but won't some of the rest of you who are on this list who attended please say something! Shelley, Patty, Stefan, Audrey, Rhoda, Allan, Alan, Nico, Malcolm, Chris, Jim, Dawie please. Rachel is out seed collecting and Lauw has already written. Won't a few of you at least help me out here. Mary Sue ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:51:27 -0700 From: Mary Sue Ittner <msittner@mcn.org> Subject: [pbs] Ledbouria socialis To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20030930172847.00d3e350@mail.mcn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Dear All, Fred asked about where Ledbouria socialis was found and no one was able to help him so when I was in South Africa I tried to see if I could come up with an answer. Rod Saunders directed me to a book on Ledbouria and this is what it said. Ledbouria socialis is endemic to the Cape Province. Most of the known localities are in the Eastern Cape. It is found in fine to medium grained shallow to deep well drained humus rich sandy soil. (Now that's a mouthful.) It usually grows in shade mostly in closed evergreen woodland. A few populations occur in evergreen scrub forest. Most of the localities are in the veld type known as Valley Bushveld. Cameron McMaster described the habitat as dry valley bush veld. He said most of the ones he had seen were found around Grahamstown and Williamstown. He also mentioned the Keiskamma River Valley where the road to Port Alfred crosses the river. I haven't checked any maps for the spelling on these names so maybe if you have a map Fred you can look them up. I hope that this information is helpful. I think I have the book on veld types and could copy the section on Type 23 if this isn't enough. Mary Sue ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:18:23 +0200 From: "Angelo Porcelli" <angelopalm69@inwind.it> Subject: [pbs] about Brunsvigia grandiflora To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <000d01c38816$30c85800$75af623e@f1q3z7> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear group, as I know many of you have got seeds of Brunsvigia grandiflora, germinating now, an old question come up again in my mind. This species is summer growing, if I don't wrong, so the question is how to look after these seeds? They need to be sown immediately as they can't be stored till next spring, but in the Northen hemisphere we are going to the winter season. This means the seedlings have to grow in winter; a nonsense then? waiting to hear your comments Angelo Porcelli Italy ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:06:17 +0200 From: "Jamie" <jamievande@freenet.de> Subject: Re: [pbs] about Brunsvigia grandiflora To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <001d01c3881c$d241df20$6402a8c0@celeron> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Angelo, I, too, received some of the Brunsvigia seeds and plan to keep them growing through the Winter. Other Amaryllids are commercially grown with an extended season, so I think it would be worth a try. Perhaps not all seedlings would adapt, but those that do would be better plants for gardeners in any case. I have a few other Brunsvigia seedlings and plan to try and keep them in growth under lights through the winter months. If they go dormant, they go dormant. Frankly, with the purported maturity of Brunsvigia at 15 years! I wish to shorten the cycle where one can. Most plants are opportunistic and will adpat where possible. The trick is to recognise this trait and take advantage of it, much as the Dutch growers do with Hippeastrum. Time will tell if the hemisphere change has a dominating influence. We all need to report back on this. Ciao, Bello, Jamie V. Cologne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angelo Porcelli" <angelopalm69@inwind.it> To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 2:18 PM Subject: [pbs] about Brunsvigia grandiflora Dear group, as I know many of you have got seeds of Brunsvigia grandiflora, germinating now, an old question come up again in my mind. This species is summer growing, if I don't wrong, so the question is how to look after these seeds? They need to be sown immediately as they can't be stored till next spring, but in the Northen hemisphere we are going to the winter season. This means the seedlings have to grow in winter; a nonsense then? waiting to hear your comments Angelo Porcelli Italy _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 23:12:14 +1000 From: Robert Hamilton <roberth6@mac.com> Subject: Re: [pbs] about Brunsvigia grandiflora To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <DFB0D5AA-F410-11D7-8BEC-0003938EDBFA@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi Angelo, On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 10:18 PM, Angelo Porcelli wrote: > as I know many of you have got seeds of Brunsvigia grandiflora, > germinating now, an old question come up again in my mind. This > species is summer growing, if I don't wrong, so the question is how to > look after these seeds? They need to be sown immediately as they can't > be stored till next spring, but in the Northen hemisphere we are going > to the winter season. This means the seedlings have to grow in winter; > a nonsense then? I sowed Brnsvigia grandiflora seeds in May 2002 - (our autumn) and they remained in leaf through their second winter here, without any protection from the elements. Cheers, Rob in Tasmania ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:09:36 -0500 From: James Waddick <jwaddick@kc.rr.com> Subject: Re: [pbs] IBSA Symposium 2003/Vist to South Africa TOW To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <p05200f6abba09064a016@[192.168.1.101]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Dear Mary Sue; Was there any mention of the 'new' species of Clivia , C. mirabilis? Is this in cultivation yet and are seed or plants available yet? Been no mention of this since it was described a year or two ago. Best Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 E-fax 419-781-8594 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:13:17 -0500 From: James Waddick <jwaddick@kc.rr.com> Subject: Re: [pbs] Biarum tenuifolius To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <p05200f6bbba09145d4d0@[192.168.1.101]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Dear all; Just to add 2 cents (late) my plants came up and bloomed about the same time as Angelo's in Italy. Our exceedingly dry hot summer must have been for them. Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 E-fax 419-781-8594 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:41:41 -0400 From: TGlavich@aol.com Subject: Re: [pbs] about Brunsvigia grandiflora To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org (Pacific Bulb Society) Message-ID: <20A5210E.3C278417.007B69A6@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Angello and others, Germination of these were fairly far along, so I potted mine up as well. I'll keep them warm and growing all winter. A bit of light fertilization helps force the growth to continue. If the germination was just beginning, or not started I have had pretty good (not perfect)success. but keeping the seeds in a paper bag in a refrigerator for up to six months. You can then get early growth at the right time of year. I have lost a few to rot, and anything in a plastic bag almost always rots. Tom ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 07:27:48 -0700 From: Mary Sue Ittner <msittner@mcn.org> Subject: [pbs] Clivia mirabilis To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20031001072326.00e089b0@mail.mcn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Dear Jim, I know my posts are so long that I imagine a lot of people give up before they read the whole thing, but in my first post I mentioned that there was a talk just on this Clivia. Here is what I said: "After her talk, John Rourke told the story of the amazing find of Clivia mirabilis in the Western Cape. It was found in screes and cliffs below a rock plateau near Nieuwoudtville in a semi-desert area in an area with only 400 mm of rainfall, relentless sun. It has leathery leaves and curved pendulous orange flowers with green tips, red pedicels, and red ovaries. It takes up almost every drop of water during the wet season and is almost like a succulent. He speculated the pollinators were attracted to the red pedicels and ovaries. These Clivias offer hope for breeding Clivias that can be grown in the sun. The seeds ripen very rapidly. I was pleased to hear that the plants are protected in a reserve, but there has been an attempt to get seed to growers so plant collectors will be less tempted to dig them from the wild. (The plant habitat makes this a bit difficult however.) And the seed is growing so perhaps one day this newly discovered genus will be better known." Mary Sue ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php End of pbs Digest, Vol 9, Issue 1 *********************************
