Digby, Fred, and all, I'm also interested in finding South African bulbs that can survive a zone 6 winter! I have a nice raised bed rock garden that is just begging for some unusual small bulbs to show off. Jim Shields in central Indiana, USDA zone 5 but more like 6 in recent years At 02:16 PM 7/15/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Dear Digby, > >Saw your note on Albuca, and I too am interested in your local climate. How >cold does it get regularly in winter, and what are the extremes? > >Also are Ledebouria species native in your area? Are there any forms of L. >socialis which come from areas of winter frosts and cold? > >Thanks, > >Fred Boutin >Tuolumne, California >(zone 7) ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA Member of INTERNATIONAL CLIVIA CO-OP