Dear Fred: Many thanks for sending an update. However, the character of leaves erect, flat, etc. vary with cultivation and will lead to endless confusion. The person that knows more about Ledebourias is Julian Slade. He can be of help. And if we follow this updated revision we need images of the plants taken in the wild (something extremely difficult). What about Jessop's revision? Regards Alberto _________________________________________________________________ Charla con tus amigos en lĂnea mediante MSN Messenger: http://messenger.yupimsn.com/