Hi, Diana >I stand corrected on L. pardalinum ssp. giganteum - I was going on what the >USDA said. They would not let me sell it without a CITES certificate, and >confiscated an overseas order, insisting it was L. pitkinense. The problem is with the botanists, not the gardeners/nurseryman. They have trouble defining just what L. pardalinum is and is not, in a very variable species. I sympathise with that, but don't always agree with the conclusions that their definition forces on other people. For instance, I can't comprehend how L. wigginsii could be considered a subspecies of L. pardalinum. The purpose of a plant name is to identify a specific plant so everyone understands just which plant is being discussed/offered for sale/being purchased. Given the problems with botanists, the solution may be to give cultivar or clone names to some of the variants, which aren't under the province of the USDA, etc. L pardalinum "giganteum" was also at one time called the Sunset lily. I don't know if that would be an acceptable cultivar name, but something similiar could probably be found. If growing from seed, a "grex" or strain name could be used. The beaurocracy is supposed to be protecting us from ourselves-and sometimes the rules they use seem incomprehensible to those being "protected". Ken