Here is the place you can search the public archives for the Alpine, Arisaema, passiflora, penstemon, and the trillium lists and all the other lists on surfnet all at once. It is in Dutch, but I think you can kind of figure out how to use it. Maybe Gerrit, Lauw, or Bill can translate some of the words. I assumed Zoek was Search which turned out to be correct. It is fast and works really well. http://search.surfnet.nl/listserv/ Mary Sue