Tim, I agree with you whole heartedly. I intentionally was brash in my comments to bring about a discussiom we have danced around for years. It’s time for everyone who pays dues to be treated equally. If anyone can find a document that says a private board of directors that is not beholden to the membership is a road to longevity and success please bring it forward. All I’ve seen is yes at first it may be necessary to create the environment for sustainability. So after 5 years or so it is changed if the board is strong enough and believes in its mission. Create Job descriptions and tools to measure progress. We can have an annual zoom meeting and go from there Accountability is what will drive us forward fairly and with the right people in place. I think we all want PBS to thrive, id like to hear from Robin and other board members why this is not a good idea. Specifically why. Transparency and an open election of members who want to take on the challenge is not a good idea. How a nominating committee is better? I don’t feel this is a time for silence from the current board? It’s a time to discuss why the nominating committee is best ? Mike On Wed, Aug 9, 2023 at 3:52 PM Tim Eck via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > I think a lot of the credibility issues are due to contrary facts where > complainers did volunteer and were rebuffed and even denigrated by mispost. > > On Wed, Aug 9, 2023 at 1:49 PM Ray Vanveen via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > Well said. I do appreciate the the volunteers that make the society a > > success. As for the complainers I do not see them step up and volunteer > > for a position. But that is the world we live in TODAY SAD > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Aug 9, 2023, at 12:37 AM, Shmuel Silinsky via pbs < > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > > > > My two cents: > > > I am not currently a member of PBS, though I have been in the past. I > > have > > > donated to the SBC even though I have never asked anything from it. The > > > point is that PBS, especially from my point of view, is an incredibly > > > valuable resource. The website / Wiki are amazing and extremely > useful. I > > > have seen other plant oriented groups, in particular one dealing with > > > succulents, that devolved into pointless arguments and offensive > comments > > > back and forth until the site was ultimately destroyed. I dearly do not > > > want that to happen here so please, as an outsider, I hope everyone > takes > > > all comments as helpful suggestions and not personal attacks. May the > > love > > > of geophytes be the ruling motives and may PBS continue to be a > wonderful > > > organization into the future. > > > > > >> On Tue, Aug 8, 2023, 3:50 PM Mike via pbs < > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> Hello All, > > >> > > >> Forming a nominating committee. Really in 2023. > > >> > > >> I frankly find it elitist and condescending. Also haven’t we had > > enough of > > >> this back room politics ? No we need transparency., > > >> > > >> I have a much better idea to discuss. Janes committee should be > focused > > on > > >> building coherent job descriptions for each position. Typical duties > > and > > >> responsibilities. The most important thing would be an annual review > to > > >> goals. > > >> > > >> Imagine understanding what the job was knowing how the job was going > to > > be > > >> measured and then deciding if you want to participate what a novel > idea > > >> > > >> We have languished for 4 years in a limbo of ineffective governance > why? > > >> Because we still use a system designed to allow the original founders > to > > >> stay as long as they wanted and leave when they got bored. > > >> > > >> I will provide just one example of how poorly we are doing and have > > done. > > >> > > >> Let’s agree that the BX and SX have the role of generating income for > > the > > >> group in fact should be the number one income generator. This is fact > > >> > > >> What is the percent of members who have made one donation to the BX/SX > > in > > >> the last two years ? I can assure you its way below 1/2. > > >> > > >> So this is our life blood and yet, I rarely if ever hear anyone on the > > Exec > > >> board other then the two hardest working people in PBS. Jan and > Bridget. > > >> They are not discussing it in the same way an executive should. This > > has > > >> been one of the biggest blunders allowed to fester in PBS. Our > primary > > >> executive should have been the BX/SX biggest cheerleader period. > > Reminding > > >> all what it does and encouraging everyone to participate. This never > > >> happened. > > >> Let’s go further down this rabbit hole. We have a few big hitters that > > >> easily donate over half the products sold at our events….What has our > > >> executive done that is immune to the will of the membership, only > > beholden > > >> to a few who are also either out of touch, new or want to be > president? > > >> Not a very good group to govern and manage an executive is it. I have > > seem > > >> some of these big fish actuallly antagonized by our executive team. > > >> > > >> What if they pack up and donate their time and amazing bulbs to other > > >> groups….maybe its already happened? > > >> > > >> These are the members our next President should be close with. I hope > > our > > >> next president makes it very clear we are all bound by the honorable > > common > > >> sense rule to share..meaning provide and take. > > >> > > >> What should we do? The folks that donate. All of us should be noted in > > the > > >> winter bulb garden in a Growers. Circle. > > >> > > >> The big hitters meaning the top 5 donors in each of the SX and BX > > should go > > >> into the President Citcle. > > >> > > >> Isn’t that a simple and cost effective way to help solve a huge > problem? > > >> > > >> It’s time for the whole executive structure to be scrapped. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> All of the members I’m acquainted with are very smart and busy people. > > I > > >> have a feeling that if they could see job descriptions. They are all > > mature > > >> enough to decide if they want to throw their hat in the ring. > > >> > > >> In fact in 2023, we need an executive comfortable with social media…so > > that > > >> person will chose to participate on their own. We don’t need or want > a > > >> person who, own their accord is not aware they have the calling to > > >> volunteer . > > >> > > >> > > >> The nominating committee model is outdated smacks of cronyism and has > no > > >> place in the mgt of a bulb group in 2023. > > >> > > >> I expect a lively discussion, you should all be outraged that the > group > > is > > >> run this way. > > >> > > >> One last thought we have never had a shortage of volunteers we have > had > > a > > >> shortage of people willing to work under a bullying manager , as a > good > > use > > >> of their free time > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Respectfully > > >> > > >> > > >> Michael Lowitz > > >> > > >> San Diego > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> pbs mailing list > > >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > >> Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > > >> PBS Forum latest: > > >> https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > pbs mailing list > > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > > Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > > > PBS Forum latest: > > https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > > PBS Forum latest: > > https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > PBS Forum latest: > https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> PBS Forum https://…