I think a lot of the credibility issues are due to contrary facts where complainers did volunteer and were rebuffed and even denigrated by mispost. On Wed, Aug 9, 2023 at 1:49 PM Ray Vanveen via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > Well said. I do appreciate the the volunteers that make the society a > success. As for the complainers I do not see them step up and volunteer > for a position. But that is the world we live in TODAY SAD > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 9, 2023, at 12:37 AM, Shmuel Silinsky via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > > My two cents: > > I am not currently a member of PBS, though I have been in the past. I > have > > donated to the SBC even though I have never asked anything from it. The > > point is that PBS, especially from my point of view, is an incredibly > > valuable resource. The website / Wiki are amazing and extremely useful. I > > have seen other plant oriented groups, in particular one dealing with > > succulents, that devolved into pointless arguments and offensive comments > > back and forth until the site was ultimately destroyed. I dearly do not > > want that to happen here so please, as an outsider, I hope everyone takes > > all comments as helpful suggestions and not personal attacks. May the > love > > of geophytes be the ruling motives and may PBS continue to be a wonderful > > organization into the future. > > > >> On Tue, Aug 8, 2023, 3:50 PM Mike via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Hello All, > >> > >> Forming a nominating committee. Really in 2023. > >> > >> I frankly find it elitist and condescending. Also haven’t we had > enough of > >> this back room politics ? No we need transparency., > >> > >> I have a much better idea to discuss. Janes committee should be focused > on > >> building coherent job descriptions for each position. Typical duties > and > >> responsibilities. The most important thing would be an annual review to > >> goals. > >> > >> Imagine understanding what the job was knowing how the job was going to > be > >> measured and then deciding if you want to participate what a novel idea > >> > >> We have languished for 4 years in a limbo of ineffective governance why? > >> Because we still use a system designed to allow the original founders to > >> stay as long as they wanted and leave when they got bored. > >> > >> I will provide just one example of how poorly we are doing and have > done. > >> > >> Let’s agree that the BX and SX have the role of generating income for > the > >> group in fact should be the number one income generator. This is fact > >> > >> What is the percent of members who have made one donation to the BX/SX > in > >> the last two years ? I can assure you its way below 1/2. > >> > >> So this is our life blood and yet, I rarely if ever hear anyone on the > Exec > >> board other then the two hardest working people in PBS. Jan and Bridget. > >> They are not discussing it in the same way an executive should. This > has > >> been one of the biggest blunders allowed to fester in PBS. Our primary > >> executive should have been the BX/SX biggest cheerleader period. > Reminding > >> all what it does and encouraging everyone to participate. This never > >> happened. > >> Let’s go further down this rabbit hole. We have a few big hitters that > >> easily donate over half the products sold at our events….What has our > >> executive done that is immune to the will of the membership, only > beholden > >> to a few who are also either out of touch, new or want to be president? > >> Not a very good group to govern and manage an executive is it. I have > seem > >> some of these big fish actuallly antagonized by our executive team. > >> > >> What if they pack up and donate their time and amazing bulbs to other > >> groups….maybe its already happened? > >> > >> These are the members our next President should be close with. I hope > our > >> next president makes it very clear we are all bound by the honorable > common > >> sense rule to share..meaning provide and take. > >> > >> What should we do? The folks that donate. All of us should be noted in > the > >> winter bulb garden in a Growers. Circle. > >> > >> The big hitters meaning the top 5 donors in each of the SX and BX > should go > >> into the President Citcle. > >> > >> Isn’t that a simple and cost effective way to help solve a huge problem? > >> > >> It’s time for the whole executive structure to be scrapped. > >> > >> > >> > >> All of the members I’m acquainted with are very smart and busy people. > I > >> have a feeling that if they could see job descriptions. They are all > mature > >> enough to decide if they want to throw their hat in the ring. > >> > >> In fact in 2023, we need an executive comfortable with social media…so > that > >> person will chose to participate on their own. We don’t need or want a > >> person who, own their accord is not aware they have the calling to > >> volunteer . > >> > >> > >> The nominating committee model is outdated smacks of cronyism and has no > >> place in the mgt of a bulb group in 2023. > >> > >> I expect a lively discussion, you should all be outraged that the group > is > >> run this way. > >> > >> One last thought we have never had a shortage of volunteers we have had > a > >> shortage of people willing to work under a bullying manager , as a good > use > >> of their free time > >> > >> > >> > >> Respectfully > >> > >> > >> Michael Lowitz > >> > >> San Diego > >> _______________________________________________ > >> pbs mailing list > >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > >> Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > >> PBS Forum latest: > >> https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > > PBS Forum latest: > https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > PBS Forum latest: > https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> PBS Forum https://…