I measured the amount of DNA per nucleus for Mandragora officinalis as 1.71 picogram. It would be interesting to compare this with M. autumnalis. It could solve the discussion. Ben.Zonneveld@naturalis.nl Op zo 16 jan. 2022 om 13:00 schreef < pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. hymenocallis amancaes (daniel girardon) > 2. 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Re: Saunders' Field Guide to Gladioli of South Africa > (johan-willm@orange.fr) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 21:28:03 +0100 > From: daniel girardon <daniel.girardon71@gmail.com> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: [pbs] hymenocallis amancaes > Message-ID: > <CALpNrbGA4FBDEsY6s96N-g1Y9s7a1fkT3u= > 2jnh8MxYgkYH6zQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hello everyone, > I'm looking for who can help me find this species that I lost > thank you > Daniel Girardon > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 12:30:12 -0800 > From: Jan Jeddeloh <janjeddeloh@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: [pbs] Calochortus SX > Message-ID: <C2F99F54-A886-412E-9EB9-8F0C84D26A79@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > The lucky winners of the three calochortus shares are: > Marc Rosenblum > Robyn Cairns > Torrey Neal > > Seed is packaged up and will be mailed by Monday at the latest. > > The other folks in the drawing were: > Christine Dowd > Mark Akimoff > Christopher McDaniel > Michael Mace > Paige Woodward > Jancy Lovell > Elizabeth and Marc Evans > Maxine Cass > James Shao > > If your name is not on this list it?s because your membership is not paid > up for 2022 and were not entered into the drawing. > > > > Jan Jeddeloh > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 21:36:36 +0000 > From: Johannes-Ulrich Urban <johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: [pbs] Winter in the Algarve > Message-ID: <6D6FC6F9-2D35-4065-990B-7320E7FDEF5D@t-online.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Dear All, > > Today I participated in a magnificent guided walk through a designated > nature conservation project, a coastal wetland. I have seen several > flowering plants of the mandrake Mandagora autumnalis. They are lush > vigorous clumps with crinkled foliage and surprisingly large blue flowers. > I was concerned to hear that this is a seriously endangered species in > Portugal. I would love to share these pictures with you, this is the first > time ever that I have seen this plant. > > Bye for now > > Uli > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image0.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 191529 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/pipermail/pbs/… > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image1.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 161137 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/pipermail/pbs/… > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image2.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 169183 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/pipermail/pbs/… > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 22:40:32 +0100 > From: Vlad Hempel <vlad.hempel@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Cc: Johannes-Ulrich Urban <johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Winter in the Algarve > Message-ID: > < > CALCu09t+z6g82yOYHc23TvkBiet_EFO2MOeobn6PU-8fOm3ahw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Such a lovely color Uli, thank you for sharing. > > > > On Sat 15. Jan 2022 at 22:37 Johannes-Ulrich Urban via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > Today I participated in a magnificent guided walk through a designated > > nature conservation project, a coastal wetland. I have seen several > > flowering plants of the mandrake Mandagora autumnalis. They are lush > > vigorous clumps with crinkled foliage and surprisingly large blue > flowers. > > I was concerned to hear that this is a seriously endangered species in > > Portugal. I would love to share these pictures with you, this is the > first > > time ever that I have seen this plant. > > > > Bye for now > > > > Uli > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image0.jpeg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 191529 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/pipermail/pbs/… > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image1.jpeg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 161137 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/pipermail/pbs/… > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image2.jpeg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 169183 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/pipermail/pbs/… > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 22:18:55 +0000 (UTC) > From: Robert Lauf <boblauf@att.net> > To: Johannes-Ulrich Urban via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Winter in the Algarve > Message-ID: <1902035034.1068464.1642285135181@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Cool. > One question:? If this is a conservation project and the species is > considered vulnerable, do the conservators allow/encourage the collection > of seed so that the maximum number of plants can be propagated for > reintroduction and/or distribution to other favorable habitats, or is the > strategy just "put a fence around them and watch them die out?" > Bob? ? ? E Tenn, where I expect the current winter storm will bring little > or no snow to my little microclimate.? Currently 40F and a bit gloomy. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 23:29:22 +0100 > From: Nils Hasenbein <nils.hasenbein@googlemail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Winter in the Algarve > Message-ID: <E4EA73EF-2922-4F83-BCB9-B3E5C385DDD4@googlemail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Beautiful pictures, Uli! I grew M. autumnalis from seed about 15 years ago > (it was said to be easier to grow than M. officinalis, and I wanted to give > a Mandrake to a friend who had asked about them after reading Harry > Potter). It was easy to grow in a pot, and it flowered ok, but the plant > was in no way as lush and beautiful as these. > > Best wishes, > Nils > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 00:00:57 +0100 > From: Garak <garak@code-garak.de> > To: Nils Hasenbein via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Winter in the Algarve (Mandragora) > Message-ID: <be2cfd3f-8cf2-9e3c-7833-5d18bbc8315d@code-garak.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > Nils, > > You might be aware that the taxonomic status of M. officinarum and > autumnalis is an on and off - discussion, which seems currently in favor > of separate species. Anyway, mine was bought as autumnalis, but flowers > in April to May for me and looks a lot like the? officinarum depicted on > PotW - at least southern Germany allows for an outdoor planting, maybe > you could try it yourself. As nice as the lush version in Uli's picture? > is, I guess less lush may be more useful in the garden. > > Martin > > Am 15.01.2022 um 23:29 schrieb Nils Hasenbein via pbs: > > grew M. autumnalis from seed about 15 years ago (it was said to be > easier to grow than M. officinalis, and I wanted to give a Mandrake to a > friend who had asked about them after reading Harry Potter). It was easy to > grow in a pot, and it flowered ok, but the plant was in no way as lush and > beautiful as these. > > -- > Martin (pronoun: he) > ---------------------------------------------- > Southern Germany > Likely zone 7a > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Mandragora Germany outdoor.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 3252454 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/pipermail/pbs/… > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 23:20:06 +0000 (GMT) > From: Brian Whyer <brian.whyer@btinternet.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Winter in the Algarve (Mandragora) > Message-ID: <50113fe4.d67fe.17e600a78a8.Webtop.91@btinternet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > > My M. officinarum seems almost indestructible in largish pots, for many > years. Divide them occasionally but not a showy plant for potential > sale. The fruit is better than the flowers (blue green, spring form); at > least until eaten by slugs. Don't know if pets might eat it. > > Brian Whyer, SE UK > Nils, > You might be aware that the taxonomic status of M. officinarum and > autumnalis is an on and off - discussion, which seems currently in favor > of separate species. Anyway, mine was bought as autumnalis, but flowers > in April to May for me and looks a lot like the officinarum depicted on > PotW - at least southern Germany allows for an outdoor planting, maybe > you could try it yourself. As nice as the lush version in Uli's picture > is, I guess less lush may be more useful in the garden. > Martin > grew M. autumnalis from seed about 15 years ago (it was said to be > easier to grow than M. officinalis, and I wanted to give a Mandrake to a > friend who had asked about them after reading Harry Potter). It was easy > to grow in a pot, and it flowered ok, but the plant was in no way as > lush and beautiful as these. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 18:31:18 -0800 > From: Jack & Val Myrick <vkmyrick@pacbell.net> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Worsleya Procera seedlings > Message-ID: <50A75C96-121F-4C35-8945-21BFED1C28EA@pacbell.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Wow! They are really amazing. Good luck bringing them to maturity. > > Val > Sonora, CA > > > On Jan 14, 2022, at 8:15 PM, Mike via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > > Twelve months ago I germinated some WP seeds. All germinated within about > > 10-14 days. They have spent the year in individual pots. Pretty happy so > > far with their progress. Had a hiccup or two along the way. We all > > survived them though. Probably begin to repot the larger ones in the > > spring. > > > > Have a great weekend, > > > > Mike > > San Diego > > Looking forward to some showers late this weekend. > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 14:56:49 +1100 > From: Bruce Schroder <silvertop1952@gmail.com> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: [pbs] re Daniel Girardon searching for Hymenocalis amancaes > Message-ID: > < > CANRzmrhAhTs84bUsQSoXuZXHxNxrCxrx7h00vqiKVV9oyBTg3w@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I'm pretty sure it would be Ismene amancaes you are after Daniel although I > see PBS references both names. I would suspect there are only a very small > number of people in this group or perhaps even wider than this group that > are growing this species so I wish you the best of luck! It seems it is > impossible to source seeds or bulbs from its native Peru and in all my > years of growing bulbs, I have never seen them available anywhere, either > commercially or from collectors. > > Certainly Daniel, if you manage to track a source, I would be knocking at > his/her door for just a coupe of seeds! > > Bruce Schroder, Australia > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 10:08:00 +0100 > From: Nils Hasenbein <nils.hasenbein@googlemail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Winter in the Algarve (Mandragora) > Message-ID: <7BEEAF4A-F38E-46AC-AF0A-135F770EA902@googlemail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Martin, > > to me, the two forms seem pretty distict, so I would prefer them to remain > split. > You are right, I should give it another try; I simply had no garden to > plant it those years ago. Judging from Ulis and the wiki?s pictures, a > medium fertility should yield a more balanced leaf-to-flower ratio. > > Best wishes, > Nils > > P.S.: Of course it?s officinarum, not officinalis - in my previous post > spell check ?corrected? it > > From the middle of germany, where it is wet, foggy and around 2-4 C at the > moment, after too warm (12C) holidays and a few freezing (-8C) nights. > Hippeastrum are fading indoors, a single Crocus laevigatus flowers in a pot > outdoors. > > > ... von unterwegs ... > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 19:09:27 +0100 > From: johan-willm@orange.fr > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Saunders' Field Guide to Gladioli of South Africa > Message-ID: <dbcdadc3-3746-4fb6-8e9e-3e56a7228197@email.android.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > > > ------------------------------ > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 59, Issue 15 > *********************************** > -- Met vriendelijke groet, Ben Zonneveld Gastonderzoeker <https://naturalis-public-media-assets.s3.eu-central-1.amazonaws.com/…> - - ben.zonneveld@naturalis.nl - http://www.naturalis.nl/ Darwinweg 2, 2333 CR Leiden Postbus 9517, 2300 RA Leiden <https://www.naturalis.nl/> _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
