Can you name that bulb game

Chad Cox via pbs pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
Sat, 23 Oct 2021 06:37:32 PDT
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>   1. Bulbs and friend in flower (Kenneth Preteroti)
>   2. Re: Bulbs and friend in flower (Arnold Trachtenberg)
>   3. Re: Bulbs and friend in flower (Kenneth Preteroti)
>   4. Re: Bulbs and friend in flower (Dan Pogust)
>   5. Re: Scilla (Terry Laskiewicz)
>   6. Re: Scilla (Brian Whyer)
>   7. Re: Scilla (Mike Rummerfield)
>   8. Re: New Moraea hybrids, 2021 (Diane Whitehead)
>   9. Re: Scilla (Arnold Trachtenberg)
>  10. Re: Scilla (Robert Lauf)
>  11. Re: New Moraea hybrids, 2021 (Tom?? Zeman)
>  12. Re: New Moraea hybrids, 2021 (Tim Eck)
>  13. Can you name that bulb game (Kenneth Preteroti)
>  14. Re: Can you name that bulb game (Kipp McMichael)
>  15. Re: Can you name that bulb game (Robert Parks)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 12:20:30 -0400
> From: Kenneth Preteroti <k.preteroti@verizon.net>
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> Cyrtanthus herrei, Scilla maderiensis and Adenium obesum. 
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> Ken P
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> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 17:22:27 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Arnold Trachtenberg <arnold140@verizon.net>
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> Ken
> Great images.
> You are way ahead of me. My Scilla hasn't appeared above the surface of the bulb yet.
> Arnold
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 13:33:40 -0400
> From: Kenneth Preteroti <k.preteroti@verizon.net>
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> Yes I am having good luck this year!
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> Ken P
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> ?If liberty means anything at all it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.? George Orwell
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>> On Oct 22, 2021, at 1:22 PM, Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
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>> ?Ken
>> Great images.
>> You are way ahead of me. My Scilla hasn't appeared above the surface of the bulb yet.
>> Arnold
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kenneth Preteroti via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
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> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 11:07:41 -0700
> From: Dan Pogust <pogustd@gmail.com>
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> My Scilla maderiensis weirdly bloomed a month and a half ago. It was very
> confused.
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>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 10:22 Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs <
>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
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>> Ken
>> Great images.
>> You are way ahead of me. My Scilla hasn't appeared above the surface of
>> the bulb yet.
>> Arnold
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>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Cc: Kenneth Preteroti <k.preteroti@verizon.net>
>> Sent: Fri, Oct 22, 2021 12:20 pm
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> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 18:54:35 +0000
> From: Terry Laskiewicz <fritillaria_3@hotmail.com>
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> Yes my Scilla madeirensis also came up early and is just finishing blooming in the greenhouse.
>   Terry Laskiewicz
>    Washington State
>      Z8
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 20:06:49 +0100 (BST)
> From: Brian Whyer <brian.whyer@btinternet.com>
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> Interesting. I thought I was in control of when they start growing here. 
> But they are all in pots; dry all summer under glass; they start soon
> after the first watering.
> 
> Brian Whyer, SE UK. 1st cold night tonight, ~ 5C. The Scillas (in 
> flower) now moved back into the greenhouse.
> Yes my Scilla madeirensis also came up early and is just finishing 
> blooming in the greenhouse.
>    Terry Laskiewicz
>     Washington State
>       Z8
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 12:12:43 -0700
> From: Mike Rummerfield <mikerumm@gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [pbs] Scilla
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> I live about 35 miles north of Terry and my *S. madeirensis *is not yet
> showing any sign of new growth, much like Arnold reported.
> Go figure!
> However, the bulbs are plumping up.
> Mike
> Zn 7, western Washington state
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> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 11:55 AM Terry Laskiewicz via pbs <
> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
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>> Yes my Scilla madeirensis also came up early and is just finishing
>> blooming in the greenhouse.
>>   Terry Laskiewicz
>>    Washington State
>>      Z8
>> ________________________________
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 12:18:35 -0700
> From: Diane Whitehead <ldiane.whitehead@gmail.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] New Moraea hybrids, 2021
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> Mike,
> 
> There are so many fugacious flowers in South Africa, some lasting only two hours.  
> 
> Do you take note of how long each flower lasts, and try to breed for that?
> 
> Diane
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 19:25:14 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Arnold Trachtenberg <arnold140@verizon.net>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Scilla
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> Yes mike. The bulbs are looking a bit plump. No sign of growth?
> Maybe a discussion of how they are stored over the summer could be helpful?
> I keep mine in a cool Northeast basement without any water?
> Arnold?
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> On Friday, October 22, 2021, 3:13 PM, Mike Rummerfield via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
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> I live about 35 miles north of Terry and my *S. madeirensis *is not yet
> showing any sign of new growth, much like Arnold reported.
> Go figure!
> However, the bulbs are plumping up.
> Mike
> Zn 7, western Washington state
> 
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 11:55 AM Terry Laskiewicz via pbs <
> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
> 
>> Yes my Scilla madeirensis also came up early and is just finishing
>> blooming in the greenhouse.
>> ? ? Terry Laskiewicz
>> ? ? Washington State
>> ? ? ? Z8
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> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 20:10:29 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Robert Lauf <boblauf@att.net>
> To: Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Scilla
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> I put my maderensis on the Dry Table of Death in the west facing carport - some sun and no water whatsoever.? They are now just beginning to sprout, presumably from the cool nights, and I moved them out so they'll get some rain until frost threatens, when they'll go into the greenhouse.
> Bob? E TN? Zone 7
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 00:04:38 +0200 (CEST)
> From: Tom?? Zeman <ZemanTom@seznam.cz>
> To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] New Moraea hybrids, 2021
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> "I think historians have concluded that Mendel himself airbrushed the data 
> just a bit."
> 
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> Hm, maybe heredity of two colors and two shapes at pea's seeds is less 
> complicated than heredity of colors in Moraea. There are also gene 
> interactions, epistasis (dominant and recessive), inhibition, complementary 
> factors of heredity, "compensation" (I don't know proper English term, but 
> this interaction is typical for plants - dominant aleles of two genes act 
> against each other, so phenotype of heterozygots is same as phenotype of 
> double recessive homozygots, A-B- looks like aabb etc.).?
> 
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> But these crosses are very nice, indeed.
> 
> 
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> 
> Tom in Czechia, birthplace of Johann Gregor Mendel :-)
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> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 18:58:40 -0400
> From: Tim Eck <timeck17582@gmail.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] New Moraea hybrids, 2021
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> I have heard that Mendel didn't fudge the answer; he fudged the question by
> choosing the only trait that was strictly dominant/recessive to study.  I'm
> certain he noticed other pea traits, he just didn't write a report on them.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 6:04 PM Tom?? Zeman via pbs <
> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
> 
>> "I think historians have concluded that Mendel himself airbrushed the data
>> just a bit."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hm, maybe heredity of two colors and two shapes at pea's seeds is less
>> complicated than heredity of colors in Moraea. There are also gene
>> interactions, epistasis (dominant and recessive), inhibition,
>> complementary
>> factors of heredity, "compensation" (I don't know proper English term, but
>> this interaction is typical for plants - dominant aleles of two genes act
>> against each other, so phenotype of heterozygots is same as phenotype of
>> double recessive homozygots, A-B- looks like aabb etc.).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> But these crosses are very nice, indeed.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Tom in Czechia, birthplace of Johann Gregor Mendel :-)
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> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 12:25:07 -0400
> From: Kenneth Preteroti <k.preteroti@verizon.net>
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> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 04:24:33 +0000
> From: Kipp McMichael <kimcmich@hotmail.com>
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> Looks like a Strumaria sp.
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> -|<ipp
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> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 21:46:41 -0700
> From: Robert Parks <trolleypup@gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [pbs] Can you name that bulb game
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> What he said
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> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 9:24 PM Kipp McMichael via pbs <
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>> Looks like a Strumaria sp.
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>> -|<ipp
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>> From: pbs <pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> on behalf of Kenneth
>> Preteroti via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
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