Michael, Holy cow. I think you should be telling us how to manage a breeding program! Your results speak for themselves. Don't feel bad about failing to get pure red. Iris breeders have been trying and failing to get a true red TB iris for a lot longer than you have. It's as elusive as the blue cattleya. My approach to breeding is grow as many seedlings as you have the space for, cull ruthlessly, and enlist others to look at the seedlings with you because another set of eyes really helps to narrow things down and also see interesting things that one person might miss. That being said, where do you have the room for so many crosses? How many seeds of each cross do you typically get and sow? How much variation do you see among the seedlings of each cross? How long to first bloom? Bob Zone 7 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>