Thanks Ken, you clearly encountered some revisions this summer. But my sense is that things changed on September 27th. I don’t see any reference to submitting an amended application in the new efile system. When I tried the amended route it didn’t recognize the new permit I was issued yesterday. And an additional complication is that the new permit allows you to print out the green and yellow labels, but when you try to print out the permit, you are bounced to a docusign site with no instructions at all on how to print out your permit. I may just go to submitting a manual application... > On Oct 1, 2021, at 11:04 AM, ken isaac via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > >> >> >> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 12:42:25 -0400 >> From: John Willis <willis@fred.net> >> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >> Subject: [pbs] Latest requirements >> Message-ID: <4CD48DE2-D397-482D-BF0D-69E1C15984D5@fred.net> >> Has anyone tried to get through the latest revision to the small lots of >> seeds permitting process? Im stuck on the page that wants you to attach >> articles to the application? >> I don?t understand how this would work with seed exchanges. >> My latest application was voided because you now need to use this new >> efile portal which doesn?t seem to work for small lots of variable seeds >> >> >> > John, > As others said, use the secret words: "All Eligible taxa:" and > "Various approved countries:" Amend your application using the old system > (see below) to put those words in your application. > It's a frustrating process for the PPQ587, "small lots of seed," using the > old process, APHIS ePermits. Maybe the new one is better? > Problems? Here is the APHIS USDA help email address, and they are quick to > respond (within a day for me.) > plantsforplantingpermits@usda.gov > > As you said, the website now quotes: > "APHIS eFile is the new permitting system for Plants and Plant Products. > Click here to access eFile: https://efile.aphis.usda.gov/" > . > But, it also says you can use the old ePermits system to "amend" any > existing application, and this was quick, easy and painless for me to do in > July. > I initially thought I would just import one species, but found later I > wanted far more freedom. I sent APHIS/USDA a question: > ME: "How can I modify my application to say "all eligible taxa" instead of > specifically "hippeastrum sp." > APHIS/USDA: "Please apply for a permit amendment to change the articles > for import." > ( I agree with another comment that the term "articles" is confusing in > relation to the small lots of seed permitting process, and "species" would > be far more understandable as we are dealing only in seed, but the term > "articles" in their permitting process covers the whole agricultural scope > of the USDA- plants, plant products, animals, animal products, foodstuffs, > dirt, living organisms & pathogens, etc.) > > So, you might be able to go back in now and 'amend' it to add the magic > words! I did this as I originally listed just one seed, and went back and > amended it to say: > All Eligible taxa: > Various approved countries: > I didn't specify a port > > It was approved a day later. > I've attached a screenshot below showing my amended permit application, and > the final amended permit. (I've never tried an attachment to PBS- I'm sure > it will be scrubbed?) > > WHY NOT MAKE EVERY PERMIT "ALL ELIGIBLE TAXA" from "ALL ALLOWED COUNTRIES > to start with? > Yeah, Why get approval from the wife specifically for a "strawberry > milkshake," when the more generic approval for "any available milkshake" is > so much more liberating when I get to the Shake Shack and look at the menu? > APHIS.USDA <http://aphis.usda.gov/> explains it this way: > "list the seed species and countries from which you want to ship each > species. If the list of species is long, you may enter “eligible taxa”. By > using this option, you are accepting responsibility for determining the > eligibility of the seeds. The Permit Unit cannot tell you if the species > are eligible for importation if you do not list them. A permit is issued > for taxa that are admissible with no restrictions beyond the port of entry > inspection. If port of entry inspectors find prohibited or restricted seeds > in your shipment, they will seize and destroy the ineligible kinds." > > So, when you list the species and country on your import permit, you get > approvals for those listed and the port should just inspect them without > arguing if they are approved or not. When using the more general "All > approved Taxa" from "Various approved countries," the responsibility is all > on you, and the risk could be seed destruction at a port! Here is what > they say we must assure: > "The seed is not restricted under the Not Authorized Pending Pest Risk > Analysis (NAPPRA) category in the Plants for Planting Manual; is not of any > Federal noxious weed species; does not require an additional declaration on > a phytosanitary certificate; does not require treatment; is not a parasitic > plant... (etc!!!) " > > Or, just check the maual of approved import plants! Here is a link to the > PDF of the approved plants manual: > https://aphis.usda.gov/import_export/plants/… > > see my attached current permit wording, and my amendment that changed it > that way screenshot > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: APHIS_USDA_PERMIT.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 106587 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: <http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/pipermail/pbs/…> > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> Gardens get wilder every day … MacGardens <http://www.macgardens.org/> _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
