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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Seed sowing question (James Frelichowski)
2. Massonia - flower within flower (Rimmer de Vries)
3. Re: Massonia - flower within flower (Robert Lauf)
4. Re: Massonia - flower within flower (Rimmer de Vries)
5. Re: Massonia - flower within flower (Rimmer de Vries)
6. Re: Massonia - flower within flower (Kenneth Preteroti)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 13:09:04 +0000 (UTC)
From: James Frelichowski <butterflyamaryllis@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [pbs] Seed sowing question
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I have experience soaking seeds of a completely unrelated genus, Gossypium. Actually this or the IBS forum came up with the suggestions (smoke water, reference by Deno on seed germination, etc.). This is a hard seeded genus that may also have inhibitors that need to be 'rinsed out' of the seed. So i do soak the troublesome species for two days (held down in sandy media, filled to soil level with pure water), drain for 1-2 weeks depending on soil and temperature, repeat for 1 day, then half a day. There are more seedlings emerging with each cycle. Minor adaptation is to warm up seeds for days to months after removal from a cold storage vault.
Other inhibitors would be need for stratification, mycorrhizae, and who knows what else. But i believe once seeds are going through phases of germination they need oxygen so the advice against soaking certain species is key, at least so they don't rot.? I hope i added something to this conversation because i have in the past gotten great advice from your discussions.
James Frelichowski
Cotton Curator, USDACollege Station, TX
On Sunday, November 14, 2021, 07:02:15 PM CST, Jane McGary via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
I never soak seeds before sowing them unless there is some well-known
reason to do this with a particular genus. I sow them and then partially
immerse the flat of pots in water until it soaks up to the surface, then
keep them in a well-lit, unheated shed (Jan has seen it). I would not
leave them outdoors because slugs, birds, and rodents would likely bite
off the emerging seedlings, especially if the seed coat is on the tip of
the cotyledon to attract the latter two pests.
Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA
On 11/14/2021 12:40 PM, Jan Jeddeloh via pbs wrote:
> I?m about to sow seed of various hardy and semi-hardy bulbs.? My usual procedure is to soak the seed for a day before sowing then throw the pots outside until they start to germinate in the spring.? Once germination starts I bring them into a cool greenhouse. Works reasonably well.? Today it is over 60F in Portland, Oregon and tomorrow, when we get a gully washer of rain, it will be 50 degrees.? Does anyone see a point in soaking the seed since it appears Mother Nature is going to soak it for me and provide reasonably warm temperatures to boot?
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> Jan Jeddeloh in balmy Portland, Oregon. Zone 8.
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 11:30:06 -0600
From: Rimmer de Vries <rdevries@comcast.net>
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Subject: [pbs] Massonia - flower within flower
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 21:00:04 +0000 (UTC)
From: Robert Lauf <boblauf@att.net>
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Subject: Re: [pbs] Massonia - flower within flower
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When the dust settles will you have two bulbs?? Do Massonias normally make offsets from the bottom and not bifurcate at the top like some squills?
Cool in any case!
Bob? ?Zone 7? where we just had our first very light freeze.
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 15:03:41 -0600
From: Rimmer de Vries <rdevries@comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: [pbs] Massonia - flower within flower
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It is like a seed fell in flower a d grew
Rimmer
> On Nov 15, 2021, at 3:00 PM, Robert Lauf via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
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> ? When the dust settles will you have two bulbs? Do Massonias normally make offsets from the bottom and not bifurcate at the top like some squills?
> Cool in any case!
> Bob Zone 7 where we just had our first very light freeze.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 15:05:16 -0600
From: Rimmer de Vries <rdevries@comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: [pbs] Massonia - flower within flower
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They do not make offsets in my experience. Live 10+ yrs or less if they dry up in summer thst is why i add abit clay to mix. Some water lightly in summer, i dont.
Rimmer
> On Nov 15, 2021, at 3:00 PM, Robert Lauf via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
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> ? When the dust settles will you have two bulbs? Do Massonias normally make offsets from the bottom and not bifurcate at the top like some squills?
> Cool in any case!
> Bob Zone 7 where we just had our first very light freeze.
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 17:49:50 -0500
From: Kenneth Preteroti <k.preteroti@verizon.net>
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Subject: Re: [pbs] Massonia - flower within flower
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Rimmer am I correct that Massonia?s do not have persistent roots therefore summer watering is not necessary.
Ken P
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