Thanks to Robin for pointing out that a long off-topic thread on this forum can annoy people to the extent that they write to one of us asking to unsubscribe (the instructions for that are at the bottom of every post, by the way). Erythronium tuolumnense is one of the spring flowers Robin mentions. Mine isn't quite as far along as hers -- my location is a little colder. E. tuolumnense is preferred by hybridizers because it produces numerous offsets. The flowers are small, though bright, and the luxuriant foliage lacks the variation (spotting and mottling) that makes some other species more attractive without flowers. The name comes from the Tuolumne River in the Sierra Nevada of California. Having spent most of my childhood summers in Tuolumne Meadows, a high-elevation valley through which the river runs, I can let you know how to pronounce it. I have to use E for the sound represented by schwa, or "uh" in English. In European vowel values it's tu-a-lE-mi, or for English monoglots too-ah-luh-me, with the stress on the second syllable. The -lumne part is a Native American word that appears in several river names in California; sorry I haven't researched which language, so I don't know what kind of representation the original transcriber attempted. I've never heard the "o" or the "n" in the river name pronounced by an English speaker. As for the species epithet, an Anglo-American would naturally stress "men," with secondary stress on "tu." Also in flower here now: Erythronium multiscapideum (yes, that's the official spelling, thanks to a subliterate describer) and Erythronium hendersonii. The former produces a gratifying number of offsets, and the latter almost none. Trillium rivale has just opened; the only other western trillium in flower here so far is T. angustipetalum. Of the eastern species, only T. luteum flourishes for me. Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA On 3/27/2021 10:16 AM, R Hansen via pbs wrote: > Ok, folks, let's move on. This topic has been rehashed a number of times. If you don't quote the source of your facts, you are entitled to opinions but let's keep them fact-based. There is too much going on in our gardens as it is. > > ....I have Erythronium tuolumnense flowering, always before its hybrid 'Pagoda', plus E. oreganum and E. revolutum. E. tuo as I call it has the loveliest deep yellow flowers, several to a stem. Then there are the super cute little Trillium rivales (some of them pink, even), T. cuneatum which I have not yet killed, soon to have T. luteum, ovatum and kurabayashii plus other tinies that will soon go in the rock garden. > > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>