I must inform the list that as of yet there is NO Roundup ready wheat commercially grown, it has only been tested. The anti-GMO contingent is forever labeling many crops as GMO when there is none. If you are in Europe, you eat GMO corn from the US, the EU imports US GMO corn, and several countries like Spain grow it. Here is the list of ALL GMO crops.https://fda.gov/food/agricultural-biotechnology/… from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Date: 3/26/21 2:50 PM (GMT-06:00) To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 49, Issue 27 Send pbs mailing list submissions to pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.netTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/…, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.netYou can reach the person managing the list at pbs-owner@lists.pacificbulbsociety.netWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of pbs digest..."List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.netList-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.phpToday's Topics: 1. Re: Round up (Tim Eck) 2. Re: Round up (Erik Van Lennep) 3. Re: Round up (Robert Lauf) 4. Re: Round up (Judy Glattstein) 5. was:///Round/ up - Now Ranunculus /Ficaria verna (James Waddick) 6. Re: was:///Round/ up - Now Ranunculus /Ficaria verna (Judy Glattstein) 7. Re: was:///Round/ up - Now Ranunculus /Ficaria verna (R Hansen) 8. Re: was:///Round/ up - Now Ranunculus /Ficaria verna (Pamela Harlow) 9. Useful Roundup Trivia (Robert Lauf) 10. More on Sauromatum (Robert Lauf) 11. Re: Round up (Nils Hasenbein) 12. Re: More on Sauromatum (Mike) 13. Re: was:///Round/ up - Now Ranunculus /Ficaria verna (Mike) 14. Re: was:///Round/ up - Now Ranunculus /Ficaria verna (Diane Whitehead) 15. Re: was:///Round/ up - Now Ranunculus /Ficaria verna (Judy Glattstein) 16. Re: was:///Round/ up - Now Ranunculus /Ficaria verna (R Hansen) 17. Re: was:///Round/ up - Now Ranunculus /Ficaria verna (Diane Whitehead) 18. Re: Round up (Jane McGary) 19. Re: Round up (Robert Lauf)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 08:42:35 -0400From: Tim Eck <timeck17582@gmail.com>To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>Subject: Re: [pbs] Round upMessage-ID: <CA+ur5ibTodj8wdaDghVs0zAOWQpYFmgvVpaW9z_3hyc-5YGBTA@mail.gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"I would like to correct a few misconceptions regarding glyphosate, theactive ingredient in RoundUp.1. As far as I have gleaned from those who should know, glyphosate does notaffect insect and amphibian health although RoundUp does. This is becausethe detergents in most commercial preparations are the culprits. If youneed to kill aquatic weeds, there are some generic glyphosate preparationswithout detergents that are listed for that application. If you use soapor detergents at home, you are a contributor to destruction of aquaticbiodiversity.2. Most genetically engineered crops have at least three useful genesinserted and one of them is likely to be Bt toxin. In the case of corn,this is to prevent corn borer. There is some speculation that bees collectpollen from corn although they don't pollinate it and, depending on how thegene is promoted, it could be in the corn pollen.3. Glyphosate is not immediately destroyed on contact with soil and thiswas never claimed by Monsanto to my knowledge. It is immediatelyinactivated by binding to polar soil particles and very slowly destroyed bysoil bacteria with a half life of several weeks.4. The Material Safety Data Sheet for glyphosate indicates that the lethaldose for rats is slightly higher than table salt. So as a rat-poison, itis much more economical to use salt.------------------------------Message: 2Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 13:59:58 +0100From: Erik Van Lennep <erik@tepuidesign.com>To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>Subject: Re: [pbs] Round upMessage-ID: <CACLJm6r7wB_sn97F3XrMgh2hnEJVLDVSXsc7DgNxGvZfdw6akg@mail.gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"For the record, I have no interest in descending into acrimony overdiffering personal assessments over the relative safety of eitherglyphosate or its better known formulation, RoundUp. This is not a forumfor such, and I much prefer to keep things respectful and friendly.On the topic of respect, I would note that most of us have no idea who theothers are, their profession, their training or learning, much less theirknowledge.I can assure you that when I do decide to weigh in as I recently have it'sdue to having studied the issue, followed the research and discussions forMANY years. All the way back to the 1980s and 1990s when I recall quiteclearly the assurances of the manufacturers that RoundUp was literallydisassembled by soil chemistry and thus extremely safe. Instructions foruse said that it should not be used in mulched areas, because the mulchwould interfere with the ability for the soil minerals to deactivate thechemical.What GMO corn and BT have to do with RoundUP isn't clear to me.LD-50 measurements of toxicity deal with the immediate consequences ofconsumption. They do not consider chronic exposure, nor synergisticeffects. Since neither we, nor our soils exist in an isolated lab setting,LD-50 while indicative, can only provide a limited assessment of nasty sideeffects.ErikOn Fri, 26 Mar 2021 at 13:42, Tim Eck via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:> I would like to correct a few misconceptions regarding glyphosate, the> active ingredient in RoundUp.>>------------------------------Message: 3Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 13:50:14 +0000 (UTC)From: Robert Lauf <boblauf@att.net>To: Erik Van Lennep via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>Subject: Re: [pbs] Round upMessage-ID: <1266740266.705474.1616766614303@mail.yahoo.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8On a side note, in the US, farmers apparently use Roundup on their wheat fields to wither the plants and make it easier to harvest, whereas in EU this practice is forbidden.? It's been suggested that at least some cases of celiac disease are, in fact, Roundup allergy.? One writer said when he was vacationing in Italy, he ate pasta all the time and had no problems at all, but back home he would again have problems with it.? Not being a physician, I don't have an opinion on that one, just passing it along as an intriguing observation.Surfactants are in some cases very problematical compounds and many aren't as benign as dish soap.? Nonylphenol, for example, has a molecule that is similar in shape at one end to estrogen and it can, in fact, bind to estrogen receptors.? Pretty easy to connect the dots on that one!I'm very much in favor of localized, limited applications rather than hosing my driveway (to take that extreme example).? One gardener came up with the idea of taking a small plastic flower pot and cutting a hole in the middle of the bottom, poking the spray nozzle of the tank through the hole, and gluing it in place.? The pot therefore forms a collar around the nozzle (like the cone that keeps a dog from biting himself) and you can just lower it right over the weed and pull the trigger.I'm working on even more localized application to kill certain really annoying weeds in the greenhouse that are impossible to pull out of the pot without completely repotting the orchid.? I'd love something like a felt-tip pen full of Roundup but I haven't yet perfected it.Bob? ? Zone 7------------------------------Message: 4Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 10:37:47 -0400From: Judy Glattstein <jgglatt@gmail.com>To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.netSubject: Re: [pbs] Round upMessage-ID: <5dbbcdbf-50c6-7018-14ce-b7144fa7ec3d@gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowedNils, when I want to avoid overspray when am targeting specific unwanted plants I cut the bottom off a 2 liter plastic soda bottle and spray through the top / cap. Shake gently before completely removing to avoid drips.Another technique is to use a disposable foam paint brush to "paint" specific weed leaves rather than merely spraying around.Now if anyone has a good technique for easily killing Ranunculus ficaria I would be delighted to learn of it.Judy, where there are some patches of blue sky appearing among the gray clouds, and the only remaining snow is from the mountain of the stuff that the plow guy heaped at the end of the drivewayOn 3/26/2021 6:11 AM, Nils Hasenbein via pbs wrote:> Am 26.03.2021 um 05:14 schrieb Robert Lauf via pbs:>>> Despite considering myself a master of the surgical strike>> I can't tell whether the debate about Glyphosate is as intense in your > countries as it is in Germany/the EU (As this subject quickly gets > emotional at least here in Germany: This is not a comment on > individual practices, which I am sure suit your own needs in the best > way possible). Glyphosate has a bad reputation in Germany now, > following the many hints that it may, in the long term and as a mass > application, have severe impact on insect populations, likely larvae > development and insect behaviour. The alleged (and in an increasing > number of effects, proven) sideeffects of Glyphosate are hard to > unravel, as we are near to blind to long-term effects (because no one > funds research projects that long, and no substance would ever be on > the market if we had to monitor its effects for twenty years first), > and are likely dealing with the long-term effects of very small > amounts of remnant original substance and its break-down substances on > very complex systems (which is even more expensive to study). This > also is, on this scale, something new, so naturally, research and > regulations are lagging behind application.>> Having some friends working with Bayer somewhere along the long chain > of the admission process for new substances (its bittersweet that the > increasing problems provide quite a few jobs for my fellow > ecologists...), and after hearing some talks about it, my personal > conclusion is that the main environmental problem with Glyphosate is a > problem of application. The amount of Glyphosate needed to kill a > plant is rather small, if it is applied at the meristeme/"growth tip". > In bulbs, it seems very sensible that in order to "shoot to kill" a > small amount all the way down through a hollow leaf would be enough, > but depending on depth and width I assume it would work best if you > apply it as deep as posible, e.g. with a syringe, which is a lot of > work. For invasive bulbs, I have seen every Bluebell I had to dig as > an opportunity to insert a bulb I like.? Now if bindweed had hollow > stems, I would go to any length.>> There have been funny concepts for single-drop application which would > reduce usage and environmental impact dramatically, but only work on a > "lab scale" so far. Maybe in the future automatic lawnmowers are armed > to apply single droplets when their downward camera detects a plant it > has been told to kill ... RoundUp was so (relatively) cheap and > effective, that some people spray it like water - our direct neighbour > used to soak the whole driveway in spring, though there is next to > nothing growing there anyway. This kind of usage by a few in the long > term makes things worse for everyone, including those using it > responsibly. It's tiring to see that those who disregard the > regulations for application in the first place are the among the first > to complain when the substances they abused are strongly regulated or > taken off the market. If, here in Germany, the concoctions of > Glyphosate would be used according to instructions, both in gardens as > well in agriculture, problems would be less severe. .>> To conclude, thank you for the useful hints for application in general > and on specific plants that have been given on the list, and I would > be happy if you share your experiences wile refining your methods for > "surgical strikes". Usage in gardens is not what caused the major > environmental problems, but as gardens now play a large role in > preserving insect species, herbicides should be applied with > precision, as little as possible, and with maximum efficiency.>> Nils>> --->> On a nice sunny morning in Germany>> _______________________________________________> pbs mailing list> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/…> Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>-- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.https://avast.com/antivirus-----------------------…: 5Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 10:07:34 -0500From: James Waddick <jwaddick@kc.rr.com>To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>Subject: [pbs] was:///Round/ up - Now Ranunculus /Ficaria vernaMessage-ID: <EF62AF2F-DE4A-48C7-9EF9-E1FFDE3FCFA3@kc.rr.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Mar 26, 2021, at 9:37 AM, Judy Glattstein via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:> > Now if anyone has a good technique for easily killing Ranunculus ficaria I would be delighted to learn of it.> Judy, Judy, Judy, A recent issue of the RHS ?The Garden ? magazine extolled the virtues of Joe Sharmon?s hybridizing efforts to develop more cvs of Ranunculus/Ficaria verna. His Monksilver Nursery offers 46 cultivars for sale within the UK including his new series of ?French Lady? hybrids. I currently grow about 8 or 9 and just ordered 2 more this week and they are fine in my climate with the possible exception of ?Brazen Hussy?. This one lives up to its name, but it is too cute to ever intentionally dig out. These do fine in my climate and offer an early spring display of color in flower and foliage. Any more Ranunculus fans out there? Best and good luck with your ?problem?. Jim------------------------------Message: 6Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 11:16:15 -0400From: Judy Glattstein <jgglatt@gmail.com>To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.netSubject: Re: [pbs] was:///Round/ up - Now Ranunculus /Ficaria vernaMessage-ID: <cf86b940-143d-bc76-fad3-200cc8cdd6f7@gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowedI have 'Brazen Hussy' It is now, with gay abandon, flinging itself hither and yon through the woods. It is the species which is filling in as a solid ground cover that I wish, nay emphatically determine to at least deter if not eliminate. Flooding of the seasonal brook spreads it around. And I am convinced that it has the Starship Enterprise transporter that also assists in its translocating.Judy in New Jersey where there is even more blue sky and only wisps of clouds. I'm heading outdoors. Bye for now.On 3/26/2021 11:07 AM, James Waddick via pbs wrote:> >>> On Mar 26, 2021, at 9:37 AM, Judy Glattstein via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:>>>> Now if anyone has a good technique for easily killing Ranunculus ficaria I would be delighted to learn of it.>>> Judy, Judy, Judy,>> A recent issue of the RHS ?The Garden ? magazine extolled the virtues of Joe Sharmon?s hybridizing efforts to develop more cvs of Ranunculus/Ficaria verna. His Monksilver Nursery offers 46 cultivars for sale within the UK including his new series of ?French Lady? hybrids. I currently grow about 8 or 9 and just ordered 2 more this week and they are fine in my climate with the possible exception of ?Brazen Hussy?. This one lives up to its name, but it is too cute to ever intentionally dig out.>> These do fine in my climate and offer an early spring display of color in flower and foliage. Any more Ranunculus fans out there?>> Best and good luck with your ?problem?. Jim> _______________________________________________> pbs mailing list> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/…> Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>-- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.https://avast.com/antivirus-----------------------…: 7Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 08:18:39 -0700From: "R Hansen" <bulbnut@hansennursery.com>To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>Subject: Re: [pbs] was:///Round/ up - Now Ranunculus /Ficaria vernaMessage-ID: <003d01d72253$4d52a210$e7f7e630$@hansennursery.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"I wouldn't touch this Ranunculus with a ten-foot pole as in our climate it grows all too well. There are so many other similar plants to use instead.I just want to thank our EU contributors on some very thoughtful comments on glyphosate vs Roundup, uses, lack of long-term studies, misuses (too many to count) and some information not easily obtainable. Monsanto is hated by many people for various reasons. As I mentioned, I use it once or twice a year, witness my soon to be rock garden preparation. Then I get out the shovel and if I have to do that area again, I will use 100% apple vinegar.So Jim, is this Ranunculus hybridizer working towards sterile and non-spreading plants? Which, if so, would mean much less vigor and more difficulty growing but that's a good trade-off, it seems to me.Frost again this morning - do I start tomato seeds or not?Robin Hansen------------------------------Message: 8Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 08:26:55 -0700From: Pamela Harlow <pamela@polson.com>To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>Subject: Re: [pbs] was:///Round/ up - Now Ranunculus /Ficaria vernaMessage-ID: <CAAghYLC-+XMZD2tg+WxGAWL9gpwobkxX2=p++dXJNYR7C-dB0Q@mail.gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"I used to offer cultivars of this through my nursery, but I destroyed mystock when I learned that it is invasive here (Seattle area, zone 8) innatural areas. Cultivars tend to revert to aggressive forms. Sure enough,I have seen it along a road through woodland. We tend to be naive inassessing how much control we have over the plants we grow.On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 8:16 AM Judy Glattstein via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:> I have 'Brazen Hussy' It is now, with gay abandon, flinging itself> hither and yon through the woods. It is the species which is filling in> as a solid ground cover that I wish, nay emphatically determine to at> least deter if not eliminate. Flooding of the seasonal brook spreads it> around. And I am convinced that it has the Starship Enterprise> transporter that also assists in its translocating.>> Judy in New Jersey where there is even more blue sky and only wisps of> clouds. I'm heading outdoors. Bye for now.>> On 3/26/2021 11:07 AM, James Waddick via pbs wrote:> >> >> >> On Mar 26, 2021, at 9:37 AM, Judy Glattstein via pbs <> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:> >>> >> Now if anyone has a good technique for easily killing Ranunculus> ficaria I would be delighted to learn of it.> >>> > Judy, Judy, Judy,> >> > A recent issue of the RHS ?The Garden ? magazine extolled the> virtues of Joe Sharmon?s hybridizing efforts to develop more cvs of> Ranunculus/Ficaria verna. His Monksilver Nursery offers 46 cultivars for> sale within the UK including his new series of ?French Lady? hybrids. I> currently grow about 8 or 9 and just ordered 2 more this week and they are> fine in my climate with the possible exception of ?Brazen Hussy?. This one> lives up to its name, but it is too cute to ever intentionally dig out.> >> > These do fine in my climate and offer an early spring display of> color in flower and foliage. Any more Ranunculus fans out there?> >> > Best and good luck with your ?problem?. Jim> > _______________________________________________> > pbs mailing list> > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/…> > Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>>>>> --> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.> https://www.avast.com/antivirus/>> _______________________________________________> pbs mailing list> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/…> Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>>------------------------------Message: 9Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 15:29:54 +0000 (UTC)From: Robert Lauf <boblauf@att.net>To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>Subject: [pbs] Useful Roundup TriviaMessage-ID: <527854597.761015.1616772594278@mail.yahoo.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8As mostly everyone knows, if you spray Roundup on your lawn, it will translocate and kill a much larger unintended area.? So if you want to expand a garden at the expense of lawn, you can use a spade to cut a sort of firebreak through the sod and then spray what's on the garden side.But I have discovered that with Bermuda grass, it is a contact poison but doesn't translocate.? So in Bermuda grass alone you can use it like liquid edger.? Some years ago, the city replaced a fire hydrant and the knuckleheads seeded with Bermuda.? Don't ask me why.? So this green, self-propelled barbwire goes right under the plastic edging and invades my garden.? Roundup kills it quickly and only where it is sprayed.? I discovered this by accident, maybe spraying the invasion and hoping it would translocate and kill the mother ship.? Anyway, it's useful to know if you have a similar problem.Bob? ?Zone 7, delightfully sunny after 2.5" of rain yesterday------------------------------Message: 10Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 15:50:57 +0000 (UTC)From: Robert Lauf <boblauf@att.net>To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>Subject: [pbs] More on SauromatumMessage-ID: <1895673199.780469.1616773858603@mail.yahoo.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Today, two plants bloomed in the greenhouse, and I knew it as soon as I got near the exhaust fan.? Since I didn't want to enjoy the heady aroma of manure while working in there, I moved them outside.? The flies were already waiting and I had to fight my way through them to get out the door.? The attached photo shows the soon-to-be-disappointed flies doing their thing.For scale, that's a 1-gal pot.Bob-------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: S. venosum.JPGType: image/jpegSize: 2839552 bytesDesc: not availableURL: <http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/pipermail/pbs/…>------------------------------Message: 11Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 17:25:49 +0100From: Nils Hasenbein <nils.hasenbein@googlemail.com>To: Robert Lauf via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>Subject: Re: [pbs] Round upMessage-ID: <70d7afb8-3c52-e05f-1c82-026ff7183d0a@googlemail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowedThank you all for your comments on RoundUp and Glyphosate! I did not want to stir up an emotional debate (though I love to when teaching; there sure is no straight answer, but I think nowadays, everyone should at least have some idea about the pros and cons of the methods we use to produce our food).Though I will turn to chemical agents if necessary, I never had to resort to using it myself. I am asked sometimes by people who do, and who think they need to, and I try to advise them to use alternative methods or as little as possible, due to the reason I gave and additionally due to several of the points Erik made. This, however, is independent from RoundUp/Glyphosate itself - I would give the same advice for every chemical treatment: Read the instructions, use as little as you can and as much as you must. Your recommendations for usage will help a lot, thank you!As Tim said; every chemical has its side effects. There is progress, made mainly through the very tiresome circle of admission, monitoring, regulation, and we now know much about Glyphosate we did not know before. The big companies make mistakes as everyone does, but they, too, contribute a lot of good data - who else should pay for admission studies? Disinterestedness is a noble goal to pursue, and almost impossible to reach in applied science, but that does not excuse anyone from making the effort ... The stuff which was used before the chemicals we have now was in many cases much worse. As I tried to express, we have a new type of problem which was impossible to spot when the stuff was first developed. We never used anything in these quantities, for such a long time. And long-term, cumulative, small effects and interactions between diverse ingredients are the most difficult to see.Nils--- Just having spotted the first shoots of Fritillaria camschatcensis and Martagon Lilies; I am going to sow my Tomatoes now. Ranunculus/Ficaria is native and abundant here, and I love seeing it in the wild. I am glad, however, that our sunny, exposed garden is a little too dry for it to spread...------------------------------Message: 12Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 09:30:17 -0700From: Mike <mike.lowitz@gmail.com>To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>Subject: Re: [pbs] More on SauromatumMessage-ID: <CABtzRWm3X3xOimj4iKXGZrWj1wmnthJ0JaPpK_cbHO9Qg50EXg@mail.gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"Bob,Those are really good looking specimen...Cant wait for the ones you sent to bloom later this season.MikeSan DiegoZone 23 with a steady cool rain fallingOn Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 8:51 AM Robert Lauf via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:> Today, two plants bloomed in the greenhouse, and I knew it as soon as I> got near the exhaust fan. Since I didn't want to enjoy the heady aroma of> manure while working in there, I moved them outside. The flies were> already waiting and I had to fight my way through them to get out the> door. The attached photo shows the soon-to-be-disappointed flies doing> their thing.>> For scale, that's a 1-gal pot.>> Bob> -------------- next part --------------> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> Name: S. venosum.JPG> Type: image/jpeg> Size: 2839552 bytes> Desc: not available> URL: <> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/pipermail/pbs/…> >> _______________________________________________> pbs mailing list> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/…> Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>>------------------------------Message: 13Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 09:37:59 -0700From: Mike <mike.lowitz@gmail.com>To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>Subject: Re: [pbs] was:///Round/ up - Now Ranunculus /Ficaria vernaMessage-ID: <CABtzRWkhqEeaE+cenrQ2kOhO-msDELoh3iz+VYi_axMCMhnxjA@mail.gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"Ranunculus are a spring time tradition as you drive up the 5 through northcounty San Diego.The flower fields in Carlsbad, CA are a beautiful visual treat as theyclimb the hillside in stripes.They are blooming now.http://www.theflowerfields.commikesan/ DiegoOn Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 8:07 AM James Waddick via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:>>> > On Mar 26, 2021, at 9:37 AM, Judy Glattstein via pbs <> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:> >> > Now if anyone has a good technique for easily killing Ranunculus ficaria> I would be delighted to learn of it.> >>> Judy, Judy, Judy,>> A recent issue of the RHS ?The Garden ? magazine extolled the> virtues of Joe Sharmon?s hybridizing efforts to develop more cvs of> Ranunculus/Ficaria verna. His Monksilver Nursery offers 46 cultivars for> sale within the UK including his new series of ?French Lady? hybrids. I> currently grow about 8 or 9 and just ordered 2 more this week and they are> fine in my climate with the possible exception of ?Brazen Hussy?. This one> lives up to its name, but it is too cute to ever intentionally dig out.>> These do fine in my climate and offer an early spring display of> color in flower and foliage. Any more Ranunculus fans out there?>> Best and good luck with your ?problem?. Jim> _______________________________________________> pbs mailing list> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/…> Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>>------------------------------Message: 14Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 09:49:23 -0700From: Diane Whitehead <ldiane.whitehead@gmail.com>To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>Subject: Re: [pbs] was:///Round/ up - Now Ranunculus /Ficaria vernaMessage-ID: <3C043CED-4BD4-41DE-A21E-73D81E6DEFC4@gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8I?ve had Brazen Hussy for about 40 years. I just went out to see how far it has spread - a sort-of square area 1.5 metres on each side. I wouldn?t consider that invasive.Diane Whitehead Victoria, British Columbia, Canadacool mediterranean climate warm dry summers, mild wet winters 70 cm rain, sandy soil------------------------------Message: 15Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 13:05:23 -0400From: Judy Glattstein <jgglatt@gmail.com>To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.netSubject: Re: [pbs] was:///Round/ up - Now Ranunculus /Ficaria vernaMessage-ID: <8f1638f3-4a49-6085-0d2d-928ed214f318@gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowedI just noticed several groups at the bottom of my driveway where I know I never planted it.Even more intriguing are the eranthis, galanthus, and a Helleborus foetidus happily flowering *across the street* in the rough woods alongside my neighbors driveway. Carried by the flood waters of my seasonal brook no doubt. I'll leave the eranthis and galanthus but might decide to retrieve the hellebore. Any suggestions / comments?JudyOn 3/26/2021 12:49 PM, Diane Whitehead via pbs wrote:> I?ve had Brazen Hussy for about 40 years. I just went out to see how far it has spread - a sort-of square area 1.5 metres on each side. I wouldn?t consider that invasive.>>> Diane Whitehead Victoria, British Columbia, Canada> cool mediterranean climate warm dry summers, mild wet winters 70 cm rain, sandy soil>>>> _______________________________________________> pbs mailing list> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/…> Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>-- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.https://avast.com/antivirus-----------------------…: 16Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 10:26:20 -0700From: "R Hansen" <bulbnut@hansennursery.com>To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>Subject: Re: [pbs] was:///Round/ up - Now Ranunculus /Ficaria vernaMessage-ID: <004901d72265$23d71b20$6b855160$@hansennursery.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Diane,I suspect your lack of invasive R ficaria may be due to several factors on Vancouver Island. You may have more cold, more rain, a particular soil, etc. that limit the spread. I find that happens on occasion. You're very lucky it doesn't seem to create a problem for you. Wish I could say the same for Muscari or whatever it is in which my garden abounds!Around here you see patches of daffodils, for example, but it's clearly self-limiting patches and cannot be considered invasive.Robin Hansen------------------------------Message: 17Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 10:56:20 -0700From: Diane Whitehead <ldiane.whitehead@gmail.com>To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>Subject: Re: [pbs] was:///Round/ up - Now Ranunculus /Ficaria vernaMessage-ID: <E38FCE55-CDDB-47F1-8085-0F6784A8F4A4@gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8Robin,Not more rain - Victoria doesn?t get much. Ficaria is native to wet areas, which my garden definitely is not.What I do have as an invasive is Spanish bluebells. I will soon begin my yearly digging out of many buckets of them, all of which go into the garbage, not the compost heap. I haven?t let them set seed in decades, but there are still lots growing here.Diane Whitehead Victoria, British Columbia, Canadacool mediterranean climate warm dry summers, mild wet winters 70 cm rain, sandy soil------------------------------Message: 18Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 12:35:15 -0700From: Jane McGary <janemcgary@earthlink.net>To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.netSubject: Re: [pbs] Round upMessage-ID: <4a09a047-6adb-0c93-9889-9795f5566333@earthlink.net>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowedRegarding Nils's wish for a way to apply glyphosate "surgically," something I've thought about a lot too, I think the place to look is in veterinary supplies. I seem to recall seeing large syringe-type devices used on cows' udders. I may get one and try it on long-established dandelions, severing the taproot and shooting it into the lower part. Just spraying them with Roundup (or even Crossbow, which I think is 2,4-D) does not kill them. However, I don't think it would work on Spanish bluebell (Hyacinthoides umbellata), because the main bulb is surrounded by many smaller ones. Like the dandelions, they were here when I bought this place, and will probably be here long afterward, though I'm discouraging them by pulling out the leaves once they have emerged.Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA------------------------------Message: 19Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 19:49:49 +0000 (UTC)From: Robert Lauf <boblauf@att.net>To: Jane McGary via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>Subject: Re: [pbs] Round upMessage-ID: <1263948541.883958.1616788189050@mail.yahoo.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8Use a turkey baster.:{-Regarding Nils's wish for a way to apply glyphosate "surgically," something I've thought about a lot too, I think the place to look is in veterinary supplies. I seem to recall seeing large syringe-type devices used on cows' udders. I may get one and try it on long-established dandelions, severing the taproot and shooting it into the lower part. Just spraying them with Roundup (or even Crossbow, which I think is 2,4-D) does not kill them. However, I don't think it would work on Spanish bluebell (Hyacinthoides umbellata), because the main bulb is surrounded by many smaller ones. Like the dandelions, they were here when I bought this place, and will probably be here long afterward, though I'm discouraging them by pulling out the leaves once they have emerged.Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA------------------------------Subject: Digest Footer_______________________________________________pbs mailing listpbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.nethttp://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/…: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>------------------------------End of pbs Digest, Vol 49, Issue 27*********************************** _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>