I’ve never seen such rubbish on PBS. T > On Jan 31, 2020, at 2:20 PM, Mike Rummerfield <mikerumm@gmail.com> wrote: > > If, as you say, " it's important to look at the details wherein is > contained the devil and you clearly cannot obtain accurate facts from > "like-minded individuals" on social media", then it seems that all the > research you've done and presented is from "like-minded individuals", and > industry sponsored and published papers. It only takes a cursory search to > find the refutation of your arguments for the 'safety' of herbicides, and > glyphosate in particular. You could start with non Hodgkins lymphoma/Mayo > clinic; plus the multitude of lawsuits involving individuals with non > Hodgkins lymphoma and Bayer, the current owner of Roundup; Agent > Orange/Vietnam veterans; lawsuits won in court resulting in Monsanto > having to withdraw their claim that glysophate binds with soil particles, > making it benign; The World Health Organization/glyphosate; > California/glyphosate; glyphosate resistant Superweeds (although I suppose > you could argue for Superhippeastrums) ; the list goes on and on > and..................... > > The "organic chemicals" you refer to are organic in the sense that they > contain carbon and hydrogen in their makeup (most organic compounds > contain at least one carbon–hydrogen bond, hence the name hydrocarbon). > This misleading argument has for many years fed into the confusion over, > and the difference between, organic chemistry and organic standards > regarding food production and the environment. Though they share the word > 'organic', they are completely different subjects, though obviously > intertwined. > > You say, "Glyphosate, for one is the 800 pound gorilla because it is so > safe and useful". What is this statement based on? Is glyphosate useful? > Yes (if you are willing to ignore the downsides). Is it effective at > killing some weeds? Yes. Is it convenient and easy to use? Yes, very. > Is it safe? * No *(see above). "There are approximately 280 million pounds > of glyphosate applied to 298 million acres annually in agricultural > settings (MRD, 2012-2016).Apr 18, 2019" This is *per year*. > Follow the money. > > All the rationalizations for the continued use of herbicides do not make it > safe. > > Denial and diversion have not proven to be effective strategies in matters > of life. > > Don, I think the relevant issue here is not whether Hippeastrum is > resistant to glyphosate (Roundup) or not. It is whether glyphosate is safe > to use or not - not just safe for the Hippeastrum, but safe for other > living things, including us. > All areas of the world have their own set of weeds that are difficult to > control. Yours are bermuda grass and nut sedge. In my area, two of them > are quack grass and canary grass, and I detest them; there are others. > Just try arguing with our ubiquitous Himalayan blackberry - you quickly > become a torn, shredded, bloody mess. There are other strategies to > dealing with these pests other than the application of glyphosate, though > they may be less convenient and easy. > > I guess this all comes down to priorities - the short term convenience and > ease of use vs. the longer term promotion of life. > > Most sincerely, > Mike > > > > > > >> On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 6:28 AM Tim Eck <timeck17582@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Erick, >> Thanks for the very useful information. >> I realize there are many prejudices against the many organic chemicals that >> organic growers avoid and with some merit, but often misplaced blame. >> Glyphosate, for one is the 800 pound gorilla because it is so safe and >> useful, just like we blame Walmart for everything because it is so >> successful. It may be associated with colony collapse disorder (but not a >> cause)for the simple reason that Monsanto likes to implant at least three >> functional genes when they create a transgenic seed and one of them is >> usually Bt, a "natural" insecticide from Bacillus thuringiensis. The >> assumption was that corn was wind pollinated and would not harm >> pollinators, but it has been demonstrated that bees will use grass pollen >> for a protein source as needed. In this case, glyphosate use is associated >> with the harmful factor but not the cause. >> Glyphosate itself appears to be less toxic than table salt (according to >> the LD50) and is captured by polar components in soil and slowly degraded >> by soil bacteria so it has no noticeable activity in most soils. Potting >> soils may behave differently. You can buy detergent-free glyphosates >> certified for use in waterways that will not harm amphibians or >> invertebrates. No SCIENTIFIC studies have shown any linkage of glyphosate >> to cancer. >> RoundUp is a trade name that may contain other active ingredients besides >> glyphosate, especially when modified such as RoundUp Plus which contains a >> pre-emergent herbicide too. >> My earliest memories were of growing up on an organic farm in the early >> 50's so I don't defend chemical agriculture without reservations but it's >> important to look at the details wherein is contained the devil and you >> clearly cannot obtain accurate facts from "like-minded individuals" on >> social media. >> End of rant, >> Tim >> >> >>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:15 PM erick lux <ericklux@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I've used the brands Snapshot, Amaze and Surflan at different times at >> the >>> recommended rate with no problem on a huge variety of amaryllis. >>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 1:37 PM Tim Eck <timeck17582@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Can anybody suggest a good pre-emergent herbicide that is safe to use >> on >>>> amaryllids? I've never used a pre-emergent but some people swear by >>> them. >>>> >>>> Also, are dicot (broadleaf) herbicides like dicamba safe for >> amaryllids? >>>> I've never gotten anybody to admit it even though they tell me they're >>>> ineffective on amaryllids. >>>> Thanks, >>>> Tim >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> pbs mailing list >>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >>>> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >>> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… >> > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/…