" I'm going to throw this in - maybe you're treating them too well? " Arnold, I think overall this has been what folks are implying so if you have a sheltered place outside in semi-shade, it might be worth trying some of each. I don't know what your coldest temperatures are, but leaves or conifer boughs would probably be all you need for protection. Let us know how this all goes! Robin Hansen _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/…