Hi Arnold, I feel it needs to be repotted as it’s gotten larger though it’s quite happy in its square plastic container. I grow it inside under lights approx. a foot away to provide lower lumens. During winter it grows at around 50-60F. It never looses it leaves completely. The leaf size is about 15” long with smaller offsets that have developed over the last few years. During winter I generally only water every 2 weeks. The soil mix if I recall is grit, some sand and compost. Thank you. Erika. Toronto Ontario where it’s only -8C today. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 10, 2019, at 7:00 AM, pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net wrote: > > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Edibility of Bulbs (Luminita vollmer) > 2. Rauhia decora (ERIKA SCHROEDERSECKER) > 3. Re: Edibility of Bulbs (Kathleen Sayce) > 4. I Love PBS Archives! (Judy Glattstein) > 5. Re: Edibility of Bulbs (Jane McGary) > 6. Re: Evolution of geophytes? (Paige Woodward) > 7. Re: Edibility of Bulbs (rrodich@juno.com) (Charles Powne) > 8. Re: Rauhia decora (Arnold Trachtenberg) > 9. Re: Evolution of geophytes? (David Pilling) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2019 10:04:42 -0600 > From: Luminita vollmer <luminita.vollmer@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Edibility of Bulbs > Message-ID: > <CAJso_=kKBhVfe-Pj1F4R8eavagrxqHz4ThKYh4zMZMb4=fyBYA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > What I know is that we eat canna bulbs - plenty and large. They taste like > potatoes but cook much faster. > I also know that common lilies are edible, and when there is a mixture of > bulbs some people "know" what variety it is > by tasting one of the scales. In some parts of Asia bulbs are food, and > sold by weight, not count. > > Luminita in FtCollins, Co at the moment but usually in Minnesota where it > has been minus double digits since mid January ; 0 > > >> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 9:42 PM Judy Glattstein <jgglatt@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Setting aside all the kitchen "lilies" (onions, shallots, garlic, et al >> that are culinary mainstays) there are other bulbs that we think of as >> ornamentals but which are edible. Dahlias were originally raised for >> food. Breeding for flower power may have reduced their flavor. I don't >> know anyone who has sampled them. Camassia were an important food >> resource in the Pacific Northwest, to the extent that battles were waged >> by the indigenous people over gathering rights to productive meadows. As >> an aside, Sacajawea fed camassia to Lewis and Clark on their expedition >> westward. The Dutch ate tulip bulbs during the Hunger Winter of World >> War II. In Italy, lampascioni is made with the pickled //bulbs of tassel >> hyacinth, Muscari comosum//. >> >> Judy in New Jersey where winter is returning. Quite windy, and >> temperatures have dropped below the freezing point. >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2019 12:58:06 -0500 > From: ERIKA SCHROEDERSECKER <eschroedersecker@yahoo.ca> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: [pbs] Rauhia decora > Message-ID: <CE9F2A92-52EB-487F-BCDE-90867FE2EA08@yahoo.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hello everyone, I wonder if I could get some advise on when to repot Rauhia decora. It?s too big for the existing pot which is 13cm wide and 10cm deep. The PBS site is informative but doesn?t discuss this. I have 4 large leaves with one senescing. I?ve now noticed a new leaf starting to form. It?s a very healthy and vigorous bulb but had outgrown its pot. Thank you, Erika Toronto, Ontario > > Sent from my iPhone > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2019 10:33:40 -0800 > From: Kathleen Sayce <kathleen.sayce@gmail.com> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: Re: [pbs] Edibility of Bulbs > Message-ID: <F07C7C64-51CB-4657-9F55-C2BBBAF0D87E@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Camas bulbs were traded widely by western tribes, to the extent that genetics are being used to determine where these species were actually native, where they were traded to, and where they persist today from remnant planted populations. > > Wapato is an aquatic bulb of shallow freshwater, another carbohydrate source. > > Brodiaeas were also eaten, and like Erythroniums, seem to be a lot of work for small edible bulbs. > > Kathleen > South coast of Washington, with snow across the bay at sea level > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2019 13:42:01 -0500 > From: Judy Glattstein <jgglatt@gmail.com> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: [pbs] I Love PBS Archives! > Message-ID: <26e40f76-2aab-7cd5-3e66-61faace61fbb@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I could not find what I was sure I had once written about oca on my web > site. Could not find images in my photo files either. I *know* I had > bought, cooked, written about oca. > > Lo and behold in our PBS archives are all the messages, replies, > back-and-forth commentary about oca. From 2004, mind you, which I > believe pre-dates my ownership of a digital camera. And some more from > 2007. Wonderful! > > No idea where my images are, except maybe I only think I took them? > > Judy in sunny and windy and chilly New Jersey > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2019 12:14:08 -0800 > From: Jane McGary <janemcgary@earthlink.net> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Edibility of Bulbs > Message-ID: <539a1126-df33-89eb-19c4-4c44f870e588@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > To Kathleen's ethnobotanical note, I can add that Fritillaria > camtschatcensis was gathered for food by Alaskan Natives in the coastal > regions where it grows. There, it is robust and often found in large > populations. Bears also dig it up, and I suppose ground squirrels might. > > Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA (formerly Fairbanks, Alaska) > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2019 13:15:26 -0800 > From: Paige Woodward <paige@hillkeep.ca> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Evolution of geophytes? > Message-ID: <1930DE15-78EC-4F15-98B8-353A67739632@hillkeep.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Here is a dazzling paper that discusses why some geophytes are rhizomes and others are bulbs; why some have seeds in soft berries with round seeds while others have dry capsules with flat, papery seeds; why leaves are arranged the way they are, and lots else. I?ve promoted it before, but long ago. It?s an oldie but goldie by a couple of botanists whose other papers are also well worth looking up. > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > I?m attaching it as a .pdf, but in case that doesn?t come through, it?s called > > PHYLOGENY, CONCERTED CONVERGENCE, AND PHYLOGENETIC NICHE > CONSERVATISM IN THE CORE LILIALES: INSIGHTS FROM rbcL AND ndhF > SEQUENCE DATA > > by THOMAS B. PATTERSON AND THOMAS J. GIVNISH > > It was published in 2002 in the journal Evolution, 56(2), pp. 233?252. > > Easy to find in various online archives, though possibly only as an abstract. > > Very sorry but I am rarely online, am unlikely to reply, but thought this might be useful. > > Paige Woodward > >> On Feb 7, 2019, at 9:28 AM, mark akimoff <makimoff76@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I'm wanting to put together an introductory power point on the evolution of >> geophytes to be used in STEM (Science Technology Engineering and Math) >> outreach at local schools. I'm interested in the story telling aspect of >> it, and Martyn Rix' "Growing Bulbs" has a great introductory chapter on the >> evolution of flowers that covers things like the Crocus, and subterranean >> ovaries as an adaptation to grazing pressure. Or for instance, fall >> blooming speciation as an adaptation to seasonal migration of grazing >> herds across elevational gradients. >> >> Beyond that book does anyone have any other books, articles, ideas, >> theories, etc? That might be useful in introducing evolution of geophytes >> as a curriculum? I'm leaning towards tying it in to current issues like >> zeric adaptations for changing climate or pollution tolerance, that sort of >> thing. >> >> Any help from this brain trust would be much appreciated! >> >> Thanks, >> Mark Akimoff >> illahe >> Salem, Oregon >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2019 10:31:51 -0800 > From: Charles Powne <iyou@me.com> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: Re: [pbs] Edibility of Bulbs (rrodich@juno.com) > Message-ID: <16397673-EF2F-4E38-B29F-438561916CDD@me.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > As I?m sure many of you know, Fremontia, the journal of the California Native Plant Society, devoted an entire issue to the subject of geophytes in 2016. A number of the articles deal with the edibility of bulbs, and the relationship of native peoples and the local bulbs they ate and propagated. It?s fascinating information, and the entire issue can be downloaded for free from the CNPS website. > > http://cnps.org/wp-content/uploads/… > > > Charles Powne > iyou@me.com > https://map.what3words.com/extend.storm.palace > USDA zone 8b > >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2019 00:59:06 -0600 >> From: <rrodich@juno.com> >> To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> Subject: Re: [pbs] Edibility of Bulbs >> Message-ID: <AABQF68WBAR2D322@smtpout04.dca.untd.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> And of course, there are the many Lilium species. The Asian cultures are >> correct when they relay that the darker colored bulbs of trumpet lily >> species are bitter. Believe me, it's beyond bitter - just take a tiny >> bit that gets spit out immediately, and the unpleasant taste lingers for >> an hour in your mouth no matter what you do. But asiatic lilies are very >> good tasting. A couple of relevant reports I made on the web: >> https://garden.org/thread/view_post/803632/ >> https://garden.org/thread/view_post/803648/ >> and if you would like to slog through the entire forum thread "Cooking >> with Lilies" that includes a lot of irrelevant entries, it is here: >> https://garden.org/thread/view/… >> >> And recently I have had enough martagon section species to eat, too - >> martagons and tsingtauense/distichum/martagon hybrids. They are the best >> tasting of all! You will notice in my previous links I mention a >> slightly soapy taste when bulbs are eaten raw that goes away when cooked. >> Martagon section lilies do not have this at all. >> I have yet to try any American species. >> >> I am eager to hear about any experiences with Lilium spp. that anyone >> else can share. >> >> Rick Rodich >> just west of Minneapolis, MN > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2019 22:58:56 +0000 (UTC) > From: Arnold Trachtenberg <arnold140@verizon.net> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: Re: [pbs] Rauhia decora > Message-ID: <1596250814.1024363.1549753136117@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Erika: > I would you? like to tell us how you grow to such great success that you have to repot it. > I see that you are in a frigid climate. > So the guess is you have some kind of heated structure like a greenhouse or sun room. > > Can you give details on potting mix, watering regime. growth cycle and so forth. > I have struggle to grow it her in Northern NJ which is no where as cold as you are. > Arnold New Jersey > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ERIKA SCHROEDERSECKER via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > To: pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Cc: ERIKA SCHROEDERSECKER <eschroedersecker@yahoo.ca> > Sent: Sat, Feb 9, 2019 12:58 pm > Subject: [pbs] Rauhia decora > > Hello everyone, I wonder if I could get some advise on when to repot Rauhia decora. It?s too big for the existing pot which is 13cm wide and 10cm deep. The PBS site is informative but doesn?t discuss this. I have 4 large leaves with one senescing. I?ve now noticed a new leaf starting to form. It?s a very healthy and vigorous bulb but had outgrown its pot. Thank you, Erika Toronto, Ontario > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2019 23:57:24 +0000 > From: David Pilling <david@davidpilling.com> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: Re: [pbs] Evolution of geophytes? > Message-ID: <39f8f398-6103-ed3a-e53e-a43eca8c9da8@davidpilling.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hi, > >> On 09/02/2019 21:15, Paige Woodward wrote: >> Here is a dazzling paper >> I?m attaching it as a .pdf, but in case that doesn?t come through, it?s called >> PHYLOGENY, CONCERTED CONVERGENCE, AND PHYLOGENETIC NICHE >> CONSERVATISM IN THE CORE LILIALES: INSIGHTS FROM rbcL AND ndhF >> SEQUENCE DATA > > PDF from: > > https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/… > > or > > https://tinyurl.com/y5ar59sd/ > > > > -- > David Pilling > http://www.davidpilling.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > > ------------------------------ > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 24, Issue 11 > *********************************** _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/…