Tony, it's not because of the polidy difference. If, in fact, Lycoris radiata var radiata is an autotriploid, then all the forms now named Lycoris radiata can keep that name.But, if evidence should emerge that Lycoris radiata var radiata is allotriploid. then it alone is Lycoris radiata and the others need a different name. In other words, in that case, Lycoris radiata would be the name of a hybrid, not a true species. For those of you having trouble following this:///autotriploids/ are triploids in which all of the genetic material comes from the same breeding line or same individual.allotriploids are triploids in which the genetic material comes from different breeding lines - in other words, they are hybrids. Jim McKenney On Wednesday, April 3, 2019, 3:14:49 PM EDT, Tony Avent <Tony@plantdelights.com> wrote: Hi Jim; To my knowledge, the only form of L. radiata to be confirmed as a sterile autotriploid is L. radiata var. radiata by Nishiyama in 1928 and confirmed by Inariyama in 1951. So, whey would the other forms of L. radiata need a different name just because of the ploidy difference? Tony Avent Proprietor tony@plantdelights.com Juniper Level Botanic Garden<http://www.juniperlevelbotanicgarden.org/> and Plant Delights Nursery<http://www.plantdelights.com/> Ph 919.772.4794/fx 919.772.4752 9241 Sauls Road, Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA USDA Zone 7b/Winter 0-5 F/Summer 95-105F "Preserving, Studying, Propagating, and Sharing the World's Flora" [new-logo] Since 1988, Plant Delights Nursery is THE Source for unique, rare and native perennial plants. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The contents of this email message and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or privileged information and may be legally protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or their agent, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply email and then delete this message and any attachments. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, copying, or storage of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. From: pbs <pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> On Behalf Of Jim McKenney via pbs Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2019 12:29 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> Cc: Jim McKenney <jamesamckenney@verizon.net> Subject: [pbs] allotriploid Lycoris radiata was: Re: Transplanting spring-foliage Lycoris? allotriploid, Lycoris × hubeiensis hybr. nov. was mentoned. It's long been known that the late blooming, typical form of Lycoris radiata is triploid. And I've long wondered if it is also an allotriploid. The fact that it and the diploid forms have such distinct blooming seasons suggests as much to me.Does anyone know: have there been studies which have confirmed that the triploid Lycoris radiata is autotriploid? Or has that simply been assumed? The answer to that question could have consequences for nomenclature. If the triploid form is autotriploid, then its name, Lycoris radiata, remains the name for both the triploid and diploid forms. But if it's allotriploid, then the triploid form gets the name Lycoris radiata and the diploid form needs a new name. Jim McKenneyMontgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7 where the greater Washington, D.C. area is as beautiful as anyplace ever gets thanks to millions of cherry and other fruit tree blossoms, magnolia blossoms, forsythia flowers, daffodils and a host of minor players. Add to that the batrachian choruses at the ponds and burgeoning bird song as more and more migrants begin to appear, and there is no other place I would rather be now. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net<mailto:pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… ________________________________ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/…