Tony, What became of L. traubii in your classification? Bill >Spring foliaged species >chinensis (fertile) >longituba(fertile) >sanguinea (fertile) >shaanxiensis (fertile) (probably not in the US...all plants sold under this name are >fall-flowering hybrids) >sprengeri (fertile) > >Fall foliage species >aurea (fertile) >radiata (fertile, except for the triploid form) --