Peter, Tim, Nhu, others, Thank you all for your input, much appreciated, part of the problem is that I have one plant of one trillium species, underwoodii, & I have tried, unsuccessfully, to get more for quite a while. While I have been trying to acquire more, I have also been trying to self it, with as little success, as assessed by pod seeds (very few). The pollen appears to work if put on other compatible plants. However, even though my plant is relatively vigorous there aren’t enough flowers to do the many things that one would like to do with unlimited flowers & pollen. Therefore the need to be selective; one or two flowers have to be used for controls, so the question is what to do with the 3-4 extras. Two treatments are the max that are really possible if one wants to get anything meaningful in the way of results. Which two? Please note, I don’t expect anyone to work this out for me, just outlining the problem(s). But, I have to say, there is something really appealing about the idea of pollinating with pollen set in concrete, I feel like I have to do that in the hope it will enter family lore. So now I’m down to one other treatment, with no obvious leader. Not forgetting, I’d really like some seeds as well as a possible yarn (ideally all of the above). Forging on, incompatibly. Robin, Medford, OR. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/