Interesting discussion re changing growing cycle. I'd just like to get a Paramongaia weberbaueri - I wouldn't care when it grew as long as it grew and flowered for me! Pretty much non- existent in Australia and impossible to get from our friends just across the ditch in New Zealand because of Australia's very difficult quarantine restrictions. Imagine Bill Dijk bringing a pocket full here - he'd be kicked out of the country before he arrived! Seeds are OK but almost never offered. Bruce Schroder Melbourne Australia