Many thanks Jane, Travis and Nathan. I have decided to go for it and order them! I will plant most in the garden and keep out 100 or so to force so I know I get them on time for that holiday. Best, Amelia -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 2:55 AM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 151, Issue 23 Send pbs mailing list submissions to pbs@lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php Today's Topics: 1. Re: Fw: Rhodophiala hybrids? (Ina Crossley) 2. Re: Fw: Rhodophiala hybrids? (Gianinatio) 3. Siskiyou Rare Plant Nursery fall catalog (Travis O) 4. Re: Flowering time of Puschkinia scilloides var. libanotica in Vancouver, BC? (janemcgary@earthlink.net) 5. Bulb sourcing question (From HK) 6. re Steve Vinisky (of Cherry Creek Daffodils) (Ina Crossley) 7. Re: re Steve Vinisky (of Cherry Creek Daffodils) (Bracey Tiede) 8. Re: Flowering time of Puschkinia scilloides var. libanotica in Vancouver, BC? (Travis O) 9. Re: Flowering time of Puschkinia scilloides var. libanotica in Vancouver, BC? (Nathan Lange) 10. Re: Flowering time of Puschkinia scilloides var. libanotica in Vancouver, BC? (ds429@frontier.com) 11. Re: Hyacinthoides paivae (Peter Taggart) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 07:59:06 +1200 From: Ina Crossley <klazina1@gmail.com> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: Re: [pbs] Fw: Rhodophiala hybrids? Message-ID: <55DE1A8A.6000509@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Z. drummondii can be crossed. It needs to have the flower emasculated when it is still in bud. So all you have left is the stigma. Ina Crossley On 24/08/2015 8:28 p.m., Brian Whyer wrote: If I remember rightly, the Z. drummondii have the female part is way down ib the flower and you would probably need a qtip to assist in getting pollen to it. Patty > Yes it has a long thin tube. No qtip we have would get down it. Designed for long tongues. Easier to cut it away and wrap in clingfilm etc. A much larger flower form is available online. Maybe that has a larger diameter tube. > > Brian > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 23:24:23 +0000 (UTC) From: Gianinatio <gianinatio@yahoo.com> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: Re: [pbs] Fw: Rhodophiala hybrids? Message-ID: <1827789443.1274122.1440631463038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I emasculate all the zephyranthes so only the style remains. ? For drummondii and labufa this is the trickiest because of how far down it is. ? I find that if you break the perianth carefully, as one would an asparagus spear, it tends to break right above or at the level of the stigma. ? You have to be gentle so as not to break the style. ? This is if the flowers are still closed. If the flower is open, I bend the stem over so the flower is upside down, and slowly rip back each sepal. ? They tend to break right at the base of where they separate, and bring each pistil with them. ?When there are two left, I pull them in opposite directions and they tear apart the perianth tube until the stigma is exposed. ? The reason I turn it upside down is that any jostling of drummondii, labufa, or chlorosolen causes the pollen to drop down and self pollinate the flower. ? ?When you do this correctly, flowers will not self pollinate and you'll know right away if you have cross pollination. On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 3:00 PM, Ina Crossley <klazina1@gmail.com> wrote: Z. drummondii can be crossed.? It needs to have the flower emasculated when it is still in bud.? So all you have left is the stigma. Ina Crossley On 24/08/2015 8:28 p.m., Brian Whyer wrote: ? If I remember rightly, the Z. drummondii have the female part is way down ib the flower and you would probably need a qtip to assist in getting pollen to it. Patty > Yes it has a long thin tube. No qtip we have would get down it. Designed for long tongues. Easier to cut it away and wrap in clingfilm etc. A much larger flower form is available online. Maybe that has a larger diameter tube. > > Brian > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 21:53:11 -0700 From: Travis O <enoster@hotmail.com> To: "pbs@lists.ibiblio.org" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: [pbs] Siskiyou Rare Plant Nursery fall catalog Message-ID: <COL403-EAS3558D6FAF1FC3F4537CDFFABB6F0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" For anyone interested, the Siskiyou Rare Plant Nursery (Talent, OR) has just released their fall catalog, mostly bulbs! Some of the cool plants: Acis nicaeensis, Allium cyathophorum var. farreri, Anthericum ramosum, Asphodelus albus, a bunch of species Iris, Tecophilaea cyanocrocus and many more. Join their mailing list for a catalog, it isn't available on the website. http://siskiyourareplantnursery.com/ Travis Owen Rogue River, OR amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 14:38:08 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: <janemcgary@earthlink.net> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: Re: [pbs] Flowering time of Puschkinia scilloides var. libanotica in Vancouver, BC? Message-ID: <27055703.1440711488849.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Amelia asked, > >I realize there are so many climatic factors to consider, but wondered if anyone had a best guess of flowering time for Puschkinia scilloides var. libanotica >in West Vancouver, British Columbia? My hope is that it will flower for Iranian New Year (Nowruz) around March 21st. Thank you. > This is a snowmelt plant in nature and flowers very early. In Vancouver BC it will probably flower about the same time as with me in Portland, which would mean earlier than March 21 in most years. However, the flowering period is fairly long. Jane McGary ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 16:43:45 -0500 From: From HK <hk@icarustrading.com> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: [pbs] Bulb sourcing question Message-ID: <CAHmdUY5Cpyf5K-RVjoEnS_ZArj3EFKq+AgVfaehJTMpW4H=HEw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I am interested in the saffron crocus bulbs and may order them from seed collector . Com. Has anyone one ordered fro this company in the past? Thank you Heather -- HK?? ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 17:35:29 +1200 From: Ina Crossley <klazina1@gmail.com> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: [pbs] re Steve Vinisky (of Cherry Creek Daffodils) Message-ID: <55DFF321.5030902@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Steve Vinisky is not a member I think, but does anyone know of him? He runs Cherry Creek Daffodils in Oregon. Ina Crossley ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 07:02:57 -0700 From: "Bracey Tiede" <tiede@pacbell.net> To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: Re: [pbs] re Steve Vinisky (of Cherry Creek Daffodils) Message-ID: <043201d0e19a$3f50af90$bdf20eb0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" He is quite active on Facebook bulb pages. 21700 SW Chapman Rd Sherwood, Oregon (503) 625-3379 http://www.cherrycreekdaffodils.com/ steve@cherrycreekdaffodils.com Cheers, Bracey -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Ina Crossley Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 10:35 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: [pbs] re Steve Vinisky (of Cherry Creek Daffodils) Steve Vinisky is not a member I think, but does anyone know of him? He runs Cherry Creek Daffodils in Oregon. Ina Crossley ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 11:45:54 -0700 From: Travis O <enoster@hotmail.com> To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: Re: [pbs] Flowering time of Puschkinia scilloides var. libanotica in Vancouver, BC? Message-ID: <COL403-EAS825C88C7325F5F63CAAE42BB6E0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" My Puschkinia flower at the end of March here in Southwestern Oregon, roughly 1200ft. elevation. Travis Owen Rogue River, OR amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/ ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 13:43:34 -0700 From: Nathan Lange <plantsman@comcast.net> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: Re: [pbs] Flowering time of Puschkinia scilloides var. libanotica in Vancouver, BC? Message-ID: <20150828204411.386372649A@lists.ibiblio.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Another option is to try "forcing" some bulbs in pots which would allow you to control the timing of flowering with much more precision. Assuming you have a suitable location for cooling the potted bulbs after they have rooted in for at least a month, you could begin forcing the pots after about 12 to 14 weeks of cooling over a range of time thereby guaranteeing that some are in flower on the desired date, flowering maybe 2 to 3 weeks from the start of forcing depending on the forcing temperature (that is a guess). There is plenty of online info for other spring bulbs, likely less for Puschkinia. I have always found hyacinths and Convallaria to be the easiest. Some keys to success are scheduling, proper rooting before cooling, using as many bulbs that will fit in the pot, weighting the bulbs down while rooting, and, most importantly, correct temperature management from beginning to flower. Nathan At 10:55 AM 8/26/2015, you wrote: >I realize there are so many climatic factors to consider, but >wondered if anyone had a best guess of flowering time for Puschkinia >scilloides var. libanotica >in West Vancouver, British Columbia? My hope is that it will flower >for Iranian New Year (Nowruz) around March 21st. Thank you. > > >- Amelia Sullivan (Zone 8/9) ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 21:40:21 +0000 From: <ds429@frontier.com> To: Rick Buell via pbs <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: Re: [pbs] Flowering time of Puschkinia scilloides var. libanotica in Vancouver, BC? Message-ID: <485753.42818.bm@smtp226.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I have worked on learning how to force spring flowering bulbs for years. For me, success depends mostly what conditions I can provide after the bulbs have been lifted out of their chilling chamber. With the hyacinth and muscari cultivars that are usually available for cheap these days, the important factors are cool temps (<55 F) and lots of light. Dell in Zone 5/6 West Virginia From: Nathan Lange Sent: ?Friday?, ?August? ?28?, ?2015 ?4?:?43? ?PM To: Rick Buell via pbs Another option is to try "forcing" some bulbs in pots which would allow you to control the timing of flowering with much more precision. Assuming you have a suitable location for cooling the potted bulbs after they have rooted in for at least a month, you could begin forcing the pots after about 12 to 14 weeks of cooling over a range of time thereby guaranteeing that some are in flower on the desired date, flowering maybe 2 to 3 weeks from the start of forcing depending on the forcing temperature (that is a guess). There is plenty of online info for other spring bulbs, likely less for Puschkinia. I have always found hyacinths and Convallaria to be the easiest. Some keys to success are scheduling, proper rooting before cooling, using as many bulbs that will fit in the pot, weighting the bulbs down while rooting, and, most importantly, correct temperature management from beginning to flower. Nathan At 10:55 AM 8/26/2015, you wrote: >I realize there are so many climatic factors to consider, but >wondered if anyone had a best guess of flowering time for Puschkinia >scilloides var. libanotica >in West Vancouver, British Columbia? My hope is that it will flower >for Iranian New Year (Nowruz) around March 21st. Thank you. > > >- Amelia Sullivan (Zone 8/9) ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 10:54:58 +0100 From: Peter Taggart <petersirises@gmail.com> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: Re: [pbs] Hyacinthoides paivae Message-ID: <CAELwaKgZn3JLi2j2D3STd1rPkK8gW9CDeDUNhbue8JroVpbKbQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Scilla paiviae behaves well for me in a pot so far, (perhaps 4- 5 years) and is a lot smaller than hispanica. Very different from it in flower too. I don't know about its capacity for self seeding yet. A very nice and distinct Scilla... prefers some moisture. Peter (UK) On 20 August 2015 at 17:53, Jane McGary <janemcgary@earthlink.net> wrote: > I have a number of bulbs of Hyacinthoides paivae (syn. Scilla p.) from > wild-collected seed from Portugal. Its close relationship to H. hispanica, > a serious weed in my area, suggests that I should not plant these bulbs in > the garden. Does anyone have experience growing it in a temperate climate > region? I wouldn't like to show disrespect to the collector by discarding > these bulbs, but at the same time, they may not be suitable for pot > culture. I also thought of planting them in turf, but the scapes are > described as up to 40cm tall, which wouldn't suit my bulb lawn -- and if > they increase like their relative, they might crowd out other bulbs. > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php End of pbs Digest, Vol 151, Issue 23 ************************************