I think the name heimalis/heimale is useful to differentiate these autumn/early winter flowering forms of elwesii monostictus. There is a known population on them in southern Turkey. So they should have some form of recognition. I'm not sure what the latest thinking is about this population. By and large they are single marks but they can approach the twin markings of G. e. elwesii. It is just very uncommon. There are virescent forms beginning to circulate in Europe even. Green-tipped forms are coming true from seed too. Mark W. Brown, Normandy, France. > Message du 30/11/15 16:34 > De : "penstemon" > Objet : Re: [pbs] bulb planting Narcissus & Galanthus > .... Now G. elwesii var monostictus are in full bloom. I have heard some people call this species elwesii var monostictus Hiemalis Group. Most have the typical inner green chevron mark but some have three spots looking like the spring blooming cultivar named 'Grumpy'. There is even one with slightly green-tipped "outers" as is common with the spring forms of elwesii. Not a species, but a group of G. elwesii var. monostictus which have a single apical marking and usually flower before the end of the year. The ones which are not in this group do not necessarily flower later; they’re just not in this group. Bob Nold Denver, Colorado, USA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/