Greetings, Linguistic argumentation aside, I have also been busy collecting seeds this summer and just dropped a few nice items in the mail for an upcoming PBX. 1) A very deep red form on Brunsvigia josephinae - the mother bulb was selfed to produce seeds on 2(!) bloom stems this season. 2) Three species of wild-collected Calochortus including weedii (var intermedius) and clavatus (var clavatus) and fimbriatus. 3) The most intriguing seed comes from the otherwise common Calochortus luteus. This seed is from rescued bulbs discovered in a couch-sized area of serpentine soil on a slope that was set for excavation for a new house (sadly, this was the second to last population of this species in San Francisco). I carefully sifted the soil of 1000s of Oxalis pes-caprae bulbs to find a handful each of bulbs of C. lueteus, Brodia terrestris and Dichelostemma capitatum. Many of these bulbs were transferred to a habitat restoration organization in San Francisco, but the few I kept for myself were the only Calochortus to bloom for me this year and they made copious seed. -|<ipp