Thanks Luc Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luc G. Bulot" <bulot@cerege.fr> To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [pbs] narcissus species Dear Jim(s), You can download the first paper here : http://link.springer.com/content/pdf/… and the second one here : http://rjb.csic.es/jardinbotanico/ficheros/… Hope this helps, Luc Le 18/03/2013 18:15, Jim Lykos a écrit : > Hello Ben, > > I would be very interested in reading your pdf article on the taxaonomy of > narcissus species. > Could you please email me a copy > Many thanks > > Jim Lykos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Zonneveld, B.J.M." <Ben.Zonneveld@naturalis.nl> > To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:04 AM > Subject: [pbs] narcissus species > > >> I like to remind you that I wrote an article on the taxonomy of all >> narcissus species, based on 375 accessions, in 2008 in Plant systematics >> and evolution 275: 109-132 and a second article on the origin of N bujei >> in >> Anales del Jardin Botanico Madrid 67(1): 29-39. Both are based on nuclear >> DNA content >> I can send a pdf to those interested >> >> Kind regards, >> >> B.J.M.Zonneveld >> >> >> >> T +31 (0)71 527 47 38, T +31 (0)71 527 50 08 >> Einsteinweg 2, P.O. Box 9514, 2300 RA Leiden, The Netherlands >> E ben.zonneveld@naturalis.nl, I http://www.naturalis.nl/ >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org >> [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] >> On Behalf Of pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org >> Sent: zondag 24 maart 2013 9:02 >> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 122, Issue 33 >> >> Send pbs mailing list submissions to >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." >> >> >> List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: ID request (Fred Biasella) >> 2. Re: ID request (Mary Sue Ittner) >> 3. Re: Zephyranthes primulina hybrid (Ina) >> 4. Re: Zephyranthes primulina hybrid (Ina) >> 5. Re: What I saw in bloom (Alberto Castillo) >> 6. Re: Identifying Narcissus species (Rodger Whitlock) >> 7. hello, what's blooming in my garden (arcangelo wessells) >> 8. Re: Identifying Narcissus species (Hannon) >> 9. Overwintering Nerine bowdenii (J. Denys Bourque) >> 10. Chocolate Cosmos = Cosmos atrosanguineus (J. Denys Bourque) >> 11. Re: Chocolate Cosmos = Cosmos atrosanguineus (Bulborum Botanicum) >> 12. Re: hello, what's blooming in my garden: hybrids between >> californian paeonia (Mark BROWN) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:35:59 -0400 >> From: "Fred Biasella" <arlen.jose@verizon.net> >> Subject: Re: [pbs] ID request >> To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> >> Message-ID: <PBEDKJJBDECGAAGPOEDCEEGEEDAA.arlen.jose@verizon.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> >> Hi Ben, >> >> It almost looks like a spiloxene. >> >> Fred >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org >> [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Ben Anderson >> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 11:53 AM >> To: Pacific Bulb Society >> Subject: [pbs] ID request >> >> >> Anyone have a name on this unknown? It has been blooming the last few >> weeks and is now winding down. Apparently a winter grower here in the SF >> bay area... >> >> http://flickr.com/photos/btanderson/… >> >> Thanks, >> Ben Anderson >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 10:14:56 -0700 >> From: Mary Sue Ittner <msittner@mcn.org> >> Subject: Re: [pbs] ID request >> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> >> Message-ID: <20130323171520.807BCE8B8C@lists.ibiblio.org> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >> >> Spiloxene serrata is one of the longest blooming species. This year with >> a >> dry January, February, and March it is really been putting on a show as >> there have been a lot more sunny days with enough warmth for the flowers >> to open. It started blooming in December and is still blooming in March. >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/… >> >> It may not be as spectacular as Spiloxene capensis, but it is a much more >> reliable and longer bloomer. I suspect this is what your unknown is. >> >> Mary Sue >> >> Mary Sue Ittner >> California's North Coast >> Wet mild winters with occasional frost >> Dry mild summers >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:06:05 +1300 >> From: Ina <klazina@orcon.net.nz> >> Subject: Re: [pbs] Zephyranthes primulina hybrid >> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> >> Message-ID: <514E0B2D.3080002@orcon.net.nz> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Only the one bulb had 2 doubles like this Steven. Until I accidentally >> broke a flower off, and then there was one..... :'( >> >> Ina Crossley >> Auckland New Zealand Zone 10 >> >> On 24/03/2013 12:23 a.m., steven hart wrote: >>> Ina i was also wondering if every flower on this plant is double ? >>> >>> On 22 March 2013 20:06, Ina <klazina@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>> What I found in my garden today >>>> >>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/102349754034616089606… >>>> ranthus?authkey=Gv1sRgCNj_oNuK9aakLQ#5858036208409452082 >>>> >>>> Ina >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ina Crossley >>>> Auckland New Zealand Zone 10 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> pbs mailing list >>>> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:09:57 +1300 >> From: Ina <klazina@orcon.net.nz> >> Subject: Re: [pbs] Zephyranthes primulina hybrid >> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> >> Message-ID: <514E0C15.9010702@orcon.net.nz> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Stev, they are twinned, I looked at the embryo seedheads yesterday and as >> you say, they are slightly flattened. Felix Fajar Martha says that >> eventually I should be able to get it into a double. The future will >> tell. >> >> Ina Crossley >> Auckland New Zealand Zone 10 >> >> On 24/03/2013 12:20 a.m., steven hart wrote: >>> Maybe we should try to cross my Twin Habranthus with your Double / >>> Twin Zephyranthes, I wonder if that is even possible ??? >>> >>> Steven Esk QLD Australia >>> >>> if it is a true double it would be wonderful & would be fun to see >>> if you can breed different colours with it... >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 23:53:45 +0000 >> From: Alberto Castillo <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [pbs] What I saw in bloom >> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> >> Message-ID: <BAY156-W7C9C54C6CD43F233CDEEEAED50@phx.gbl> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> Right now around Buenos Aires, its natural habitat, is still in massive >> bloom but some capsules are open and shedding seeds. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 18:42:43 -0700 >> From: "Rodger Whitlock" <totototo@telus.net> >> Subject: Re: [pbs] Identifying Narcissus species >> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> >> Message-ID: <514DF7A3.12665.3996@localhost> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> >> On 22 Mar 2013, at 10:33, Michael Mace wrote: >> >>> Personal opinion: we won't be able to really make sense of the genus >>> [Narcissus] without genetic analysis. >> Personal opinion: genetic analysis won't help much. >> >> It's pretty clear that on the Iberian peninsula, the genus Narcissus is >> undergoing active speciation. The fixed category "species" just doesn't >> work very well under such circumstances, just as it's of questionable >> utility in paleontology. (The paleontological day is saved thanks (a) to >> the fact that only a tiny subset of all organisms is fossilized and (b) >> per Stephen Jay Gould, active speciation is a relatively fast process, so >> fossilization of true intermediates would be rare. >> >> It strikes me that the situation with Iberian narcissus may be like that >> with the Pacific Coast irises, where logging has created "bio-ways" >> linking distinct species and allowing them to hybridize freely. I've read >> that some of the PCI species are actually at risk of being hybridized out >> of existence. >> >> The usual definition of species is a population of plants that can breed >> together but does not _or_cannot_ breed with other species. When >> interbreeding is prevented by ecological barriers, if those barriers are >> disrupted, suddenly formerly good species stop looking so good. >> >> Human habitation of the Iberian Peninsula goes back some tens of >> thousands >> of years. It may be that the clearing of forests and similar ecological >> degradation lies at the root of the complexities of Iberian narcissus. >> >> >> >> -- >> Rodger Whitlock >> Victoria, British Columbia, Canada >> Z. 7-8, cool Mediterranean climate >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 19:28:34 -0700 (PDT) >> From: arcangelo wessells <arcangelow@yahoo.com> >> Subject: [pbs] hello, what's blooming in my garden >> To: "pbs@lists.ibiblio.org" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> >> Message-ID: >> <1364092114.51091.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> Hello everyone. My name is Arcangelo Wessells. I have been a member just >> over one year but this is my first post. I live in Vallejo, ?CA. Just at >> the East end of the San Francisco bay area. I have a small garden so I >> have resorted to ?small slow growing plants to extend the joy of >> gardening. I raise plants from seed in pots but I try to get them in the >> ground as soon as possible. Some bulbs disappear quickly but others are >> tough and I am much fond of the way they look in the ground. I am trying >> to make it look as natural as possible. I am interested mainly in >> Paeonia, >> Gethyllis, Fritillaria and Calochortus. I will have more photos to share >> later this year, but many of my plants are still to young to flower. I am >> also very interested in Castilleja and Orobanche and other parasitic >> plants. >> So this week I have Paeonia mascula ssp russoi fading out. It rained last >> week and really made the flower more beautiful. >> http://flickr.com/photos/8690158@N07/… >> >> >> ??Paeonia cambessedesii just opened today. A bit harder to photograph. It >> works best at 7am as I go to work. >> http://flickr.com/photos/8690158@N07/… >> >> and >> http://flickr.com/photos/8690158@N07/… >> >> >> Also some Trillium ovatum: >> http://flickr.com/photos/8690158@N07/… >> >> >> They are my first flowers on seed grown plants from Archibalds. Paeonia >> californica bloomed one month ago but I would love to try to cross them >> in >> the future. >> >> arcangelo >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 19:33:42 -0700 >> From: Hannon <othonna@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [pbs] Identifying Narcissus species >> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> >> Message-ID: >> <CAFsz2W8mgfux5AL-HmJjxsrh2F1UJA9v8sjEQnXyFkvay7OV0w@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Rodger makes some excellent points. There seem to be similar phenomena in >> epiphytic rhododendrons and bromeliads, where disturbance such as road >> building or logging creates light gaps that alter the behavior of >> pollinators and modify opportunities for the plants. Some vireyas are >> relatively uncommon in closed-canopy forest but roadsides in the same >> forest can create ideal secondary habitat for them to thrive and meet >> with >> congeners they would otherwise be more isolated from. The case is >> probably >> more dynamic with bromeliads like Guzmania species since their seeds are >> wind-dispersed. >> >> Regarding Narcissus, it's too bad there is not a formal taxonomic rank of >> "species complex" for a suite of closely allied taxa that may intergrade >> with one another-- or may be actively diverging from one common ancestor. >> >> Dylan >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 10:03:03 -0700 (PDT) >> From: "J. Denys Bourque" <jdbourq@yahoo.co.uk> >> Subject: [pbs] Overwintering Nerine bowdenii >> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> >> Message-ID: >> <1364058183.39767.YahooMailNeo@web161805.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> Last fall I asked the group for advice on overwintering Nerine bowdenii >> indoors. >> I got a variety of answers for which I was/am very grateful. But it >> seemed >> not many had experience with this species in USA Zone 3. I finally left >> them in their pot and positioned it about 1 m = 3 ft from the patio door >> and 20 cm = 8 in. from the radiator and stopped watering them. >> >> Low and behold, one sprouted 2 wks ago, and the 3 others yesterday, with >> 2 >> babies as a bonus. >> >> I'm very happy, and wanted to share this with you all. >> >> ? >> J. Denys Bourque >> Ing?nieur forestier / Professional Forester >> 19, rue Michaud >> Saint-Jacques, NB?? E7B 1M1 >> CANADA >> T?l./Tel. : +1 506 739-6471 >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 10:17:33 -0700 (PDT) >> From: "J. Denys Bourque" <jdbourq@yahoo.co.uk> >> Subject: [pbs] Chocolate Cosmos = Cosmos atrosanguineus >> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> >> Message-ID: >> <1364059053.23113.YahooMailNeo@web161805.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> Dear all, >> I have some Chocolate Cosmos tubers, and don't know how to plant them. I >> searched Internet, but didn't find anything useful; and would appreciate >> any advice on this: >> 1. There is one clump about 4-5 in. in length, of five "pieces" >> (tubers??) >> sort of welded together at one end, with fine white rootlets almost all >> the way to the tips at the other end. I was thinking to plant the >> "welded" >> part down and the "pointed tips" upwards, with about 1 in. of the tips >> above the soil. But then, considering the presence of rootlets near the >> tips I figure maybe I should plant the entire bunch sideways. >> 2. There are also two pieces not connected to the other bunch, also with >> long "tails" or tips, and also with white rootlets, but apparently broken >> off at the other end. These I thought of planting sideways. >> 3. How deep should I plant them? >> Grateful for any advice. >> >> Sincerely, >> ? >> J. Denys Bourque >> Saint-Jacques, NB?? CANADA >> Canda Zone 3A ; USA Zone 3 >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 07:56:20 +0100 >> From: Bulborum Botanicum <bulborum@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [pbs] Chocolate Cosmos = Cosmos atrosanguineus >> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> >> Message-ID: >> <CABsCM2oKwP+AXRJ+wEg=DAX-HGKOnPW8h3Ompy2ANO-X0Ry6hw@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi Denys >> >> I plant them just as Dahlia >> >> Roland >> >> >> 2013/3/23 J. Denys Bourque <jdbourq@yahoo.co.uk>: >>> Dear all, >>> I have some Chocolate Cosmos tubers, and don't know how to plant them. I >>> searched Internet, but didn't find anything useful; and would appreciate >>> any advice on this: >>> 1. There is one clump about 4-5 in. in length, of five "pieces" >>> (tubers??) sort of welded together at one end, with fine white rootlets >>> almost all the way to the tips at the other end. I was thinking to plant >>> the "welded" part down and the "pointed tips" upwards, with about 1 in. >>> of the tips above the soil. But then, considering the presence of >>> rootlets near the tips I figure maybe I should plant the entire bunch >>> sideways. >>> 2. There are also two pieces not connected to the other bunch, >>> also with long "tails" or tips, and also with white rootlets, but >>> apparently broken off at the other end. These I thought of planting >>> sideways. >>> 3. How deep should I plant them? >>> Grateful for any advice. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> J. Denys Bourque >>> Saint-Jacques, NB CANADA >>> Canda Zone 3A ; USA Zone 3 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ >> >> >> -- >> R de Boer >> La Maugardiere 1 >> F 27260 EPAIGNES >> FRANCE >> >> Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 >> Email: bulborum@gmail.com >> Facebook: https://facebook.com/pages/Bulborum/… >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 12 >> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:02:11 +0100 (CET) >> From: Mark BROWN <brown.mark@wanadoo.fr> >> Subject: Re: [pbs] hello, what's blooming in my garden: hybrids >> between californian paeonia >> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> >> Message-ID: <1635967466.2604.1364112131354.JavaMail.www@wwinf1f18> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> Dear Arcangelo, >> I fully encourage you in your idea of hybridising these paeonia. >> I have often dreamed of doing just that. And wondered if any one had ever >> tried? >> Anyone know of hybrids between californian paeonia and the other species? >> ? >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >>> Message du 24/03/13 03:28 >> " So this week I have Paeonia mascula ssp russoi fading out. >> ? Paeonia cambessedesii just opened today. >> ?Paeonia californica bloomed one month ago but I would love to try to >> cross them in the future. >>> arcangelo" >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> >> >> End of pbs Digest, Vol 122, Issue 33 >> ************************************ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/